Interestingly agreed. Just because of evidence of them on the payroll doesn't stand as testimony to RV being effective. Many studies into consciousness tend to present similar quirks we see in quantum physics. This is because the scientific method is effective with some studies and perpetually ineffective when trying to deal with issues of consciousness or quantum strangeness as it predominantly is based only on the rawly observable. We assume because everything we can limitedly observe is isotropic therefore everything else must be. This normally gives way to absolutes that in and of themselves are limited... Kinda why humanity is rather short of antique absolutes. We form them in one age only for the next age to show them as irrelevant. In short we are great at basing our entire lives on limited observations and calling them absolute. Yet what we are seeing today is more and more absolutes be called into question. As I said in the post, if your scientific description of reality was the same as it was fifteen years ago you would have to go and retake the class. In regards to scientific method being applied to remote viewing? Well there is a trove of information from Stanford Research Institute and similar large studies into precognition done by Cornell University among many others. The papers from these studies do make interesting reading as it brings temporal consciousness to the laboratory setting for study and to say consistent results is a bit of an understatement. Yet the same problems arose as we see with some quantum physics experiments where the results didn't represent themselves when the methodology behind the experiments is followed again. When I was still in academia writing my thesis these thing fascinated me so much that after I circled back and made that kind of research a hobby. Looking at arguments both for and against subjectively. This lead to the better part of two months of meticulously going through everything from the CIA library to detailed papers from every psychological journal I could get my hands on related to the studies. It is the kind of work where there is no wiki short cut or condensed short cut to fully take in either. In the end it was unavoidable to see we have a trove of what most skeptics would call proof. And I mean genuine skeptics not lazy nihilist of which there are many. The processes behind the methodology are nothing more than a person interviewing their own subconscious for data. Some parts could actually easily could be called a bit Jungian really. Anyone can do it funnily enough, so its easy to take out of the lab and experiment with from an anecdotal perspective. What is also fascinating is the relationship between universities and the special interest behind the studies into these types of things. When you come full circle after reviewing it all it begins to look like there is more to it than just corrupt budgeting and hiding other programs. Again though I don't state an absolute and to make a full case would literally take a book. I don't tend to be dismissive with ease though. For instance I know the media works in a stream of ever lying outrage inducing narrative driven drivel. But I still pay attention to watch for shifting narratives and keep an open mind considering all things as to the direction of those narratives and how they could impact me or those around me. I'm never dismissive and stay prepared to both zero in and zero out as a sort of perceptual calisthenic to keep my mind open. Once I zero in I zero out and for that inquiry is always open and absolutes are pretty elusive. Keeps daily reality pretty interesting. Lol. Well, sorry for the long ass response. I enjoy the discourse from posts like this so I try to fully engage as it's what these types of topics bring about. Fun discussions. Thank you for taking the time to give the post a read, and yeah... Men Who Stare At Goats was a funny film and according to those who part of the program extremely limited in accuracy. But definitely a chuckle worthy watch.