Caller Says Gun Safety Focus Should Be on Mental Health
Caller thinks ending gun violence starts with better mental health treatment. I don't disagree that this is important, but focusing only on that is a mistake.
What do you think?
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Focussing on that at all is a problem. You dont get to deny people their rights for being "mentaly ill" and i have yet to see any evidence that someone who is mentaly ill is more likely to do something like that anyways, espacialy since many shooters are called mentaly ill for no reason or for the reason of suffering a PSYCHIATRIC illness. Psychiatry is PHYSICAL.
But all of that doesnt matter, we can talk about these things AFTER abolishing the 2nd amendment, before its inacceptable to deny felons, substance users or the "mentaly ill" the rights the constitution gurantees them.
Thanks for covering this issue. This whole mental health - gun control correlation is a red herring.
Let’s not stigmatize individuals that seek mental health treatment any further (you have addressed this in a previous video). Only a minute percentage of mental health patients is homicidal and a genuine danger to society. I haven’t been able to find statistics on mental health and homicidality or on homicidal ideation vs. completed homidice with a firearm, but my hunch is that the occurrence has much lower odds than you or I being struck by lightning (and I realize that this is a thoroughly unscientific statement).
From a practical standpoint, how are we going to to background checks? Are they going to include systematic access to the confidential medical data of patients stored on the Medical Information Bureau? I don’t know how far the MIB (which stores the diagnostic codes submitted by medical providers to insurance companies in exchange for reimbursement) is subject to HIPAA regulation, but that would further violate the privacy of the US population under the guise of the security, safety and protection unicorn.
By the way, since the “Tarasoff v. Regents of the University of California” case adjudicated in the Supreme Court, there is already a provision in place: mental health providers have a “duty to warn”.
If ethically it makes sense, it is a totally different animal when it is a legal requirement. It is highly problematic inasmuch as there is a fine line between homicidal ideation, homicidal fantasies and thought crimes for which one could be prosecuted.
As stated above, the whole mental health - gun control issue is a red herring. It is meant to distract from a truly important (if not necessarily the only one) issue of the NRA lobby. By extension, we should focus on the power of lobbies in electing our government. They are the single most powerful force behind who ends up in Washington, and campaign contributions are but glorified and legalized bribery. It makes a sham of democracy, since our democratically elected representatives are more accurately the representatives of those who buy them off than our representatives.
There are many bandwagons we can jump on and many cases we can espouse. Many are valid, right and just. However, our allocation of limited militant resources is not wise. In my humble opinion we would have more leverage by focusing on a true reform of the electoral system, outlawing lobbies and including campaign financing in the yearly US budget (we are already so far down in the hole that I don’t think it’s going to make much difference, but it will be money-we-don’t have well spent). The other aspect is tightening up anti-trust laws and breaking up industry cartels behind the lobbies.
I am all for taking to the streets to make a point, but when the house is crumbling, it is much more effective to identify the leverage points, shore up the foundation and address weaknesses where the structure is buckling than making haphazard patches a leaky roof. Optimally, we would address the dangers our society faces (including the gun issue) from both ends, but I don’t think there is enough manpower or time, so we have to think about the most effective use of resources.
One thing is sure though: harassing someone with a generalized anxiety disorder, PTSD or ADHD ain’t it, folks!
A firearm is a tool. The idea is to be smarter than the tool you're using. What people seem to fail to realize is that we don't hear about the millions of gun owners who don't use their firearms to commit crimes or the lives that are saved daily from having the ability and a firearm to protect one's self. We mainly hear about the fringe illegal use of firearms. By the way, murder and assault are already crimes, but people still do both before you even get to the gun part. We don't hear any calls for more murder laws or assault laws, why, because criminals don't obey laws. The idea of creating more laws isn't going to affect criminals, it's going to affect law abiding citizens because they're the ones who make an effort to comply with gun laws.
Have you ever noticed that in countries with the strictest gun laws, like just recently in France, when firearms are used in a crime it's a criminal that has them? I'd say society in America does have an issue that's affecting kids or people across the spectrum. The military is having a hard time with recruits because kids lack focus, self-discipline, but more importantly a sense of responsibility for their actions.
That lack of discipline and responsibility comes from a society that has lost its accountability. We have a hypersensitive nearly micromanaged ideology that undermines family values, morals, ethics, and worldviews in America. Special interest groups of all stripes tear at the fabric of our society dividing people by color, gender or none gender, sensationalized oppression, inequality, injustice and a continued state of victimhood. Societies in foreign nations aren't law compliant because they're sophisticated, they're compliant because they're domesticated by their government that has taken away their freedoms under the ideology of "the greater good".
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It is not the best solution even a sane person can have some moments of insanity.
It's obviously a mental health problem, anyone that wants a gun is kind of sick.
As a gun owner myself, I believe in more thorough back ground checks, mental health checks, and dealing with some of the underlying social and family issues..
Research the correlation between psychiatric drugs and illegal violence.
Has been researched extensively, correlations are not causations.
Drugs are not a direct causation of crimes. Drugs cause crime no more than demon possession causes crime. Psychiatric dehumanization (which is rampant) may decrease people's motivations for not engaging in crimes, though. That is just a theory.
A Balanced person will never use a gun, and if they do they are not truly balanced.
Yeah, because people who save other people's lives by the mere fact that they have a gun are not 'balanced' persons.
Mental health is the problem.
Mental health is one of MANY problems
let us say that the problem is the approach attributed to it, it is not the mentally ill who attend therapy or consume psychotropics who carry out armed attacks. On the contrary, they are MENTAL PATIENTS who have never attended psychotherapy and are armed, I explain it to you in another way, with psychological tests it can be confirmed whether a person is prone to develop a psychotic or neurotic outbreak, even if he does not have a pathology. same way we can verify if it has alarming aggressive features. There are many problems in society that really should be the responsibility of public health, and we speak of an isolated attack, but of many and see that most of these people when captured are marked imbalances since they do not show signs of guilt , repentance, pain, absolutely nothing, on the contrary they enjoy it.