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RE: @ura-soul Witness Update - Anarchy vs. Empire: TRON Replaces Top Witnesses and Takes Over the STEEM Blockchain

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TRON/Steemit Inc. are framing the actions of SF 0.22.2 as being 'illegal'.

When I saw what the witnesses had done, my first thought was ''I wonder who will do the longest jail time."
I disagree that the action taken against Justin Sun's Stake was Not Malicious. If I took away your ability to use your stake I am 100% convinced that you would believe I was being malicious.

TRON did NOT buy STEEM, they bought Steemit.

No they also purchased a huge amount of Steem!

Justin Sun cannot claim to support decentralisation while also claiming that the actions taken through decentralised governance are illegal when he doesn't like them - well, not without seeming hypocritical and out of touch.

I find the above words shocking. I disagree with what you are saying here 100%
The decision to freeze Justin Sun's Steem came from the same Centralized Authority that held the platform hostage from day 1, led our witnesses around by the nose and done everything they could to prevent mass adoption of this platform !

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The platform is designed to ensure that the choices made by the consensus of the witnesses are the ones which are enforced on the blockchain. The community voted the witnesses in using their own stakes, as per the design. The nature of decentralised blockchains is that in the event that there is a disagreement regarding the rules and direction, then different investors/users can fork the chain and do their own thing. That is all by design and is to be understood by anyone buying tokens - especially by someone who runs their own blockchain already.

If I took away your ability to use your stake I am 100% convinced that you would believe I was being malicious.

It would depend on the situation. If I were Justin Sun and I knew all the details of the Steem blockchain, then I might be triggered, but I would understand the reasoning behind the decision. If my intent were not malicious (in his position), then I would empathise and understand that it might be in the best interests of the blockchain and my own investment to work with the community and meet them in a neutral way - as he inferred he would do. He did not keep his word and in fact appears to have gone as far as to bringing the global reputation of major exchanges into question by the biggest names in cryptocurrency.

No they also purchased a huge amount of Steem!

Which was never taken away from them, as I already explained.

The decision to freeze Justin Sun's Steem came from the same Centralized Authority that held the platform hostage from day 1, led our witnesses around by the nose and done everything they could to prevent mass adoption of this platform !

Who are you referring to here?

The community voted the witnesses in using their own stakes,

No the community did not choose, the berniesanders group of accounts chose and has been in control of choosing most of the top 20 witnesses for far to long.
If that were not the case things like the EIP would never have been implemented.

And yes the ability to use it was taken away. No point in having something if you are not allowed to use it!

Many people have looked into that issue and I have yet to see any proof that your claim here is correct. Assuming you are correct, as messed up as that is, it is a situation made possible by the ninja mined stake that you are saying should not have been frozen. Would you have been upset if the freeze had included bernie's accounts too? It sounds like you are making a case for starting the chain over again without a ninja mined stake, as much as anything else.

It sounds like you are making a case for starting the chain over again with a ninja mined stake, as much as anything else.

shit no lol but we cant go back in time ether. I don't believe that the top 20 witnesses acted in good faith. The outcome was predictable and the dark forces will be trying to leverage the amount of damage they can inflict on the platform.

I suspect that Steem / steemit has a much stronger chance of mass adoption now. I have not been this hopeful about the future of Steem for years

Ah, I was tired when I wrote that last message. I mis-typed 'without a ninja mined stake' to read 'with a ninja mined stake' ;)

Now the centralized authority has regained 5 witnesses back in the top twenty, it seems that all hope is lost for a decentralized Steem and Steemit.

Is the ninja mined stake something that happened in 2016 or during the first two years of Steem of Steemit, which was around that time, around those years, right? I joined in 2017. I am going to assume the ninja thing must have happened near the very beginning or during one of the first ten hard forks.

Yes, it was at the very beginning - an initial period of mining to generate tokens to use to get the system started.

Do you prefer republics or democracies?