Drug War Stories: Wrapped in Wise County

in #war7 years ago

Recently Adam Kokesh of internet fame announced his campaign for Not for President 2020. Within an hour he was pulled over in Texas. He was let go with a warning, but then was pulled over again. Adam is of internet fame for being arrested simply for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial.

Adam seeks the Libertarian Nomination for President in 2020 and hopes to shut down the leviathan. Adam is taking a moral stand and fighting for first amendment rights. Keep your eyes on this. Hopefully he can help re establish the negative rights we need in our society.

I am a big fan of Adam, introduced me to steem.

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No One should be pulled over on the freeway or highway for doing 9 mph over the speed limit. I have NEVER heard of that! EVER!

What was the reason for the search to begin with?!!!

i think the drug dog gave the reason, so yea pretty lame to detain him and do that. The war on drugs is a war on the innocent and does nothing but make drug use more dangerous.

It depends where you are, here in New England it is normal but I drove out west one time and the cop informed me that he could write me a ticket for going one mile over but he saw that I was from new England and knew we do that so he just gave me a warning.

Excellent posts..

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it, hope to try to record these wicked interventions in real time--and describe it for what it is. I dont understand interventions for drugs, there is no dead bodies or rape or ttheft or assault victims.

Very good post.thank you

Thanks, hopefully Adam will be free soon. I hope that he provides an actual libertarian option in 2020, since there didn't seem to be one in 2016.

even if we end the drug war speeding will be illegal and you will still have to register your RV.

I dont understand? Why does there need to be 50 jurisdictions in the age of X KEY SCORE and PRISM you dont think they can have online instantaneous registration? Why does speeding need to be illegal? Why does the public need to control the roads?

You really dont think many people speed? You think speeding laws help our world, especially the possibly non uniform ways they are enforced subject to discretion?

you don't understand that there are laws against speeding and that you have to register your vehicle independent of the laws that prohibit drugs?
I am sure Texas has instant online registration, most states do.
I didn't say speeding needed to be illegal, I said it would be, probably because people are not comfortable with people barreling around in sketchy RVs over 65 mph. The public needs to control the roads because the public shares the roads and everyone benefits from them and is also put at risk on them. Driving is one of the most dangerous things you do. You want to live right? It's pretty easy to demonstrate the benefits from speed limits, they reduce pollution and accidents. On the other hand we should do away with all traffic lights and urban traffic controls, that reduces traffic and accidents.

Aren't there no speed limits or something on Autobahn? I am not sure your theories are as settled as you imply?

Or something, of course they have speed limits but they are much more vague on some sections of the Autobahn:
"General speed limits in Germany are set by the federal government. All limits are multiples of 5 km/h. There are two default speed limits: 50 km/h (31 mph) inside built-up areas and 100 km/h (62 mph) outside built-up areas. While parts of the autobahns and many other freeway-style highways have posted limits up to 130 km/h (81 mph) based on accident experience, congestion and other factors, many rural sections have no general speed limit. The German Highway Code (Straßenverkehrsordnung) section on speed begins with the requirement [1] which may be rendered in English:

Any person driving a vehicle may only drive so fast that the car is under control. Speeds must be adapted to the road, traffic, visibility and weather conditions as well as the personal skills and characteristics of the vehicle and load.
This requirement applies to all roads, and is similar to the "reasonable speed" legal obligation levied in other nations.

Speed limits are enforced with a small tolerance. Driving merely 3 km/h (2 mph) or faster above the posted or implied speed limit is considered a punishable infraction in Germany. The speeding fines are set by federal law (Bußgeldkatalog, schedule of fines).[2]"

Note also that they have much stricter requirements to get a drivers license there. So in Germany, and most other places, a cop can just decide that you are driving too fast and pull you over, based on his assessment of the conditions. For example if you are doing 65 in a blizzard on the highway fishtailing away a cop can write you a ticket for speeding and it would likely hold up in court. Even though you and I know that tickets and such are mostly to generate revenue for the state and as a pretext to search and harass people the reason that we won't see these laws done away with is the legitimate safety aspect. At least until a future time when cars all drive themselves and then we won't need speed limits for safety anymore.

Consider this, it's illegal to drink and drive and yet all bars have parking lots. Because in fact you can drink and drive as long as you do so responsibly and don't get so drunk that you are driving impaired.

yea the parking lots just seem like they make a whole joke of the system. Well not sure what you are getting at. Sure slower vehicles are less dangerous but not sure speed limits inherently are necessary?

The point is that you can drink and drive all you want as long as you are responsible, if you can drink a 12 pack and drive in a straight line and do all the other things you are supposed to do then you won't get pulled over right?

That's why bars have parking lots, the expectation is that everyone will be responsible.

Or you could ride around in an RV in Texas with all the drugs you want if you actually followed the posted speed limit.

Personal responsibility is the point.

There is a pretty clear and linier relationship between speed limits and accident rates and fuel consumption. We could decide that the liberty to drive as fast as you want is more important than that and change the laws but we probably won't. Ultimately physics imposes a speed limit either way.

You are greatly misinformed about our supposed "laws"
The Traffic Code, The Controlled Dangerous Substances Act, Hell, everything is commerce related. In other words, if you are not doing something for a profit or gain then these so called "laws" do not apply to you. I guess I need to bring my Facebook notes over here so I can educate idiots like you.

(48) _Ultimate user_ means a person who has lawfully obtained and possesses a controlled substance for the person's own use, for the use of a member of the person's household, or for administering to an animal owne.png

yea I don't understand the ad hominem using the word idiot? I think it best if people make their arguments and stick to the arguments. The tyrants are the ones that try to obfuscate logic and facts.

You seem to have conflated federal and state law for some inexplicable reason. How about instead of posting memes you try to make an argument like a grownup and without any name calling?

Hopefully we can keep a level of decorum here. I'm not planning to institute rules or anything but I don't understand the use of an ad hominem.

It just makes him seem angry and confused. I didn't down vote him but someone will if he keeps on like that. I like that you and I can discuss things civilly.

Yes, this meme is showing you that at both the Federal and State, the term "Ultimate User" are the same. Also, the state actually is bound by the Federal code. Every state in the union will say something to the effect of "As controlled by the Federal CSA"...

The point is, if you are an "Ultimate User" than you can lawfully use and possess any controlled substance at both the Federal and State levels.

as long as you lawfully obtained it first.

Krass

I dont understand

I have seen of post of Kokesh here before, is he the one? I look forward knowing such an interesting individual.

good guy, perhaps the last president of the US if the US becomes not a global empire prison state in 2020.

I wonder how much Adams chatter played into his search and if it lead to his arrest?

Idk it shouldnt play any into it. Pretty lame all this hassle over supposed speeding. I dont understand how drug prohibition helps anyone.

Shooting your mouth off is often the difference between getting a warning and going on your way and being detained, for some reason the video I saw left out that part of the encounter.

SO CUTE

yea dont spam posts that are complety un related, i dont give a shit, but some people will down vote you for your worthless comment

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Glad you are enjoying them. Hope to get some more out just have had the resources needed with trying to get sp lease.

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Glad you are finding it useful.Hope to talk about things the military industrial complex media wont here.

This post is very informative, i never heard of him before now

Thanks, good free speech hero, possibly last president of the US

thanks ^^

You're welcome, hope to have some more posts here in next few days, might be good as well. Hopefully Adam is free soon, and hopefuly he helps free the rest of us.

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I watched the video of his arrest. Pretty crazy how this all turned to a drug search...There was nothing really to actually justify a drug search, and how conveniently the dog notify them on the other side where he couldn't be filmed. Seems all fishy. I will definitely following this ordeal and see how this progress until 2020.

Same here, love his content and message. Hopefully we will be free someday!!

who knows the change he will bring, every man should be given a chance to make a change in life , i hope he makes a nice one and history

I dont think there is anything he needs to change. Our society needs to change not him.

if he was arrested for dancing how is this a drug war story?

That is un related. That is why I first learned of this free speech hero.

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thanks ^^

Your'e welcome, glad this article has helped you? A little vague comment. But so it goes

illegal drugs = plagues
Nice writeup!

yea illegal is the plague. The sooner ssociety gets its head out of the sand like and ostritch and actually deals with reality the sooner everyone will be a lot safer and better off.

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I'm pretty sure drug dogs are trained to "detect" anything an officer wants to be detected.....

Yea not sure why it's not possible to have false positives? I haven't investigated the drug dog system yet but hopefully they at least monitor their consistency for positive and false detections and other signals from humans that can create false positives. Hopefully the whole process of the drug dog use is filmed from multiple angles make sure this system is not abused, so at least the process is fair for horrible insane criminalization of victimless conduct.

Great Post! You might like the one I posted earlier relating to this.
https://busy.org/drugs/@kmkprophet/understanding-the-csa-adam-kokesh-arrested-on-drug-charges

Yea your theory is interesting. My theory is more about power and that there is no inherent logic to the Constitution, that is like most other artifacts in our world are just social construct. And despite what you seem to be asserting the ninth amendment, I assume preventing the CSA, it seems Gonzalez v Raich and other events go against the realization of your theory currently.

As the Thomas theorem asserts, things are real in their consequences. So it seems a lot of the CSA stands. It will be interesting how Adam's discussion of a 1st amendment defense is, the ninth amendment also is interesting.

I think Rawl's discussion of the needs for basic formal equality as a thing all would agree to in the thought experiment of the original position would support Mr. Kokesh's assertion of the fundamental illegitimacy of the war on drugs especially as it currently occurs.

I agree there is no logic to the constitution, only that it seems to be binding people who are not a party to it for some unknown reason. You and I could create an organization, make rules for it, then say its binding on our land. That would not bind the people outside of our organization or land.

I totally understand there have to be laws and stuff...
But this is goin too far! Same shit in germany, we built stupid laws on a daily basis.

Yea not cool putting people in cages for victimless conduct me thinks. Everything is worse cause of prohbition conduct is more expensive and makes use more deviant, drugs and prostitutes are less clean and regulated due to prohibition. Due to increase costs people are more likely to engage in criminal acts to support their addictions.

Actually, people cant make laws. What people can do is create rules, those rules must comply with the actual law for them to carry the force of law with them. Statutes, Acts, Ordinances, and Codes are not law, they are rules of a society.

A lawless society is one that creates rules with no respect or regard for the law. Thats the real problem!

I thought he was arrested for waving a gun around in DC.