This is a call to all my followers on Hive. And on Twitter. And to everyone who find this post.
#POB and #VYB are two very similar tribes on Hive. Or rather - two variations of the same tribe. With two slightly different colors, and different priorities. You can easily post on both, collect rewards on both, comment and curate on both.
Things get a lot more complicated, if you have to choose WHERE to INVEST.
Because you can not duplicate your finance by simple copy-paste, like you are placing both TAG's under the same post, right? 🙂
I got curious, in case you have to chose one, and ONLY ONE - which of the two tokens, two tribes you will prefer? Which of the two will get your larger part of investment?
Please answer in your comment under this post.
To make reading easy, and in most simple form to collect and evaluate,
please make your answer as brief and short (minimal), as you can.
Just like: #1.
Or #2.
And only if you strongly believe you would invest precisely 50.00% : 50.00% (not easy), answer BOTH
Why I do this in the comment section, not in Quora or some other format?
I want to make this simple, and have an easy way to thank my responders by my UPVOTE, each and every reply.
My upvote power may be effected by the fact, if I will see you have rebloged this post.
Have fun.
Hello One Alfa,
I never asked my children, "Who do you like better, mommy or daddy?"
I fell in love with Proof of Brain through the engagement I found in the #WOTW contests. It challenged me to write a little deeper about one specific topic instead of just posting. I didn't see many of my old friends on POB but one by one I began to see them at least use the tag from time to time. I could tell that people in Hive liked the concept of a community that's real niche is welcoming everyone's niche. I sometimes write about Korea and sometimes write about school and sometimes write about what I have created. I seldom write about Crypto or investments so I don't really belong in the Leo finance community. Actually I felt really at home in "brain".
Then vyb came. I didn't dump all my brain when I heard about vyb but I did buy more than a couple thousand vyb believing that vyb could really take off. VYB had its launch but really did not take off. I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's going to be a slow and steady coin. We are seeing just a small part of history. I think vyb is doing great for the face that it has only existed a couple weeks now. One of the things that makes me bullish on vyb is that it has calmed down people's tempers and allowed them to post what they wanted to post. I might not agree with everyone there but I am glad that they are sharing their opinions freely without interference. Of course they could do this on another community but their posts are not hidden on vyb. I think POB and VYB have to work together to succeed. I like the new front end POB bought and I'd like to see it used and see some artists producing NFTs and people buying and selling there.
Do you like your left hand or your right hand... oh so scary question for me?
I guess I like the one that functions better.
But don't cut it off!!
Honestly, I am not a big fan of 'general' communities until we get rid of rewards on layer one. They end up just being a second reward token with little real meaning instead of a community you can call home.
That being said, I do appreciate they give Hive users another thing to login for and participate in.
The lack of downvotes is a big concern of mine with VYB. It is left to one or two people to decide who earns rewards or not making it even more centralized than a typical tribe. The whole premise of this was to prevent "malcious downvotes" which is extremely rare and there is likely one "malicious downvote" for every 10,0000 shitty upvotes, just look at trending at certain times of day or at all the automated reports getting $20-200/day.
Full disclosure, I honestly don't even pay attention to POB or now VYB, I just assume most posts will use both tags as there is no reason not to, so I typically don't even know if a post is POB or VYB unless it is meta like this one. There is no reason to use their front ends as they offer nothing PeakD doesn't do better and the POB penalty for not using the site is actually less than the penalty to use the site.
As a Hive user, neither can ever offer me anything I can't get elsewhere besides "more rewards". For either really change the game they need to onboard from outside Hive better than anyone else. Even very successful projects have yet to do any real amount of onboarding. Both communities could be a great entry point for outside users who haven't used Hive in the past or want a gentle introduction to crypto (something Hive has done for many people).
While I am not a big fan of either specifically, that doesn't mean I am against them in any way. I am happy to see more communities pop up on Hive, let's get 1000 more. A community for everyone is a community for no one. Unless a lot of effort is made to make the community unique and a place people can feel home, it ends up boiling down to just some extra rewards you can get on your posts.
One possible benefit of general communities is that they provide potentially alternative distribution and rewards rules (like VYB's no downvotes). While that particular attribute might not end up being such a great thing, in theory, experimentation should ultimately show what works best. In that regard, the more general communities the better (provided they are doing something different). Eventually, people will migrate towards what works best. In theory. I suspect that there is a limit to how many general communities can provide meaningful rewards so it's not like a 1,000 of them could pop up and really survive (or thrive anyway).
Plus there are only so many tags you can devote to general communities. If you aren't posting to a community related to the topic you are posting and/or tagging your post with a couple of relevant tags, I think it is to you detriment. These days I mostly find new people to follow either because of reblogs or from the list of recent posts I get in communities or tags I post in. If you are making those retrogaming posts but only tagging them vyb or pob then there's a 99% chance I'll never see it and you'll lose out on at least one vote...
You're right about the ratio of downvotes compared to abusive upvotes, but so is the disparity in perception. In deed, it takes very few whales to dominate an entire system, and it's not even necessary to hand out many downvotes to create a chilling effect, never mind that the actual function doesn't allow censorship.
What counts is what people think it is, regardless of what it is. The headlines make the mood in a system. So do the reactions of those who are hit by DV, even if they are a minority. You can't rule out that what you (I, everyone) don't see because it doesn't become public in the first place is still there. "Punish one, educate many" is seen as an effective way to bring the silent majority on a desired course.
The problem of abusive upvotes is unsolvable in my eyes. The system gives it, so it is done. I don't see any way to prevent it, not even with downvotes, although they probably influence those who are hit by them in one way or another. To really create an effect, far more downvotes would have to be distributed than is currently done. I think it's a rather unglamorous and unpopular endeavour and from my point of view people don't want to bother with DW unless they do it out of fanatical conviction, revenge or dominance. In very few cases people seem to be relaxed and take it not as a hot potato but as a cool mathematical correction. But you can't sell that, it's too emotionally charged for that.
I agree that a much higher volume of downvotes would present the situation differently overall. People would not focus so much on ideological downvotes, but accept DVs in general as a kind of indispensable means that can be used to.
In my perception, however, it does not happen that downvotes are dealt with in a relaxed way. And in some cases it is indeed necessary to criticise a whale's motive and expose it if necessary. The few who dare to do so deserve support, I think.
I've only posted to them once, tagging the same post to each. Other than the sales pitch, I'm not sure what makes them unique, other than VYB has removed reputation and the downvote.
Unfortunately I've heard about some of the drama on POB and it concerns me. On top of that, the way POB sets up the feed, which is important for discovery doesn't seem very intuitive.
Having to scroll through two categories in an attempt to reach the recent posts section, then having to scroll to the bottom of the 1st 6 just to tap another option to find the whole feed is not efficient nor intuitive at all. I'm not enjoying POB when I check it out, so think Peakd is better. I don't see a reason to use POB, because it's not offering anything new and it's annoying to use.
VYB is more basic, but gives me more control over navigating to where I want to go. I like that, but literally every other frontend, but POB does that. I like that rep is scrapped and that they are looking for other options to moderate content.
For this reason I think VYB has more potential, but I can't say it's better, because we already have Blurt that functions similarly. Both use the same basic UI as well. Only time will tell if it will go anywhere. For morale it needs to get some updates out quickly though or it will seem as stalled as I've heard POB is.
Community involvement from the creators is important, so this is another benefit of VYB, but it's early and most leaders are usually more vocal in the beginning. That being said, it hasn't been enough at this point and communicating the plans for moderation and curation hasn't really happened platform wide, just a few passing comments on a post or two.
So, neither really offer anything to pull me to either one from Peakd at this point. It doesn't hurt to use their tags though, which is what I'll probably do. I'll be watching them closely and the one that strives for decentralization will get my attention.
#1 Well it has already happened. Maybe it was not totally a conscious choice but something was pulling me to power down most of my POB and transfer to VYB. But Also looking at this and the advantage I have of a good air drop in VYB I am already positioned in both so I may power up some of my POB again for voting and holding in both tribes.
POB was feeling a little dead to me and most of the great minds and people I enjoyed reading and interacting and also appreciating my content moved to VYB. Personally I know it is controversial here I love Blurt and it would be nice to talk about it sometimes on this platform without fear of a down vote, and it is another case study in the direction VYB is going down. Blurt is the total freedom site with just votes and a fee on transaction keeping plagiarism at bay. Now the community is really stepping up there to protect the community interest. It is the complete opposite to what has happened in some tribes where down votes have divided the tribe. Plagiarism has brought a tribe together to fight it, success will be seen in time. It will be interesting to see how VYB goes with its ability to police plagiarism as part of its core with a mute rather than a down-vote.
I just decided to buy and stake a bunch of vyb and saw that value immediately depreciate... for some reason I have no regrets and I feel that I am ready to walk through the fire of the #vyb!
Let's find a solution to spam oriented material without the downvote. Go #vyb!
It's new, it's fresh, I'm on board.
I wasn't invited to the #pob club when it started - and so missed its inception.
I will tag all posts with #pob and #vyb in the future regardless! Thanks peeps for being so pro-active in finding solutions to blockchain catastrophes like soft-censorship!
Goooooo brain!
There is one thing I don't comprehend completely. Am I right thinking that if anyone who has either of those two tokens staked in H-E, uses any of the other HIVE blockchain frontends and downvotes the corresponding post, this is going to correspondingly decrease/remove both the HIVE and POB/VYB rewards?
To answer your question, I would invest 50/50 in these projects.
One very important aspect, for me, is the option to stake the tokens in H-E and thankfully both of them have that. Keeping a big quantity of liquid tokens makes me a bit nervous as hackers and scammers get better and better.
Apart from the tech-side, I believe what makes a tribe a successful one is the quality of the content, created by the tribe members and the activity of that community.
Sometimes I use the #pob hashtag in my posts, especially when I am putting more brain energy than the usual :) In my head these are related :D I haven't used #vyb yet, as I am not quite sure what topics are welcomed and I don't want to step on someone's toe :D
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Both Hive and POB pending rewards on a specific post/comment will be decreased in a proportion, how much voting power of Hive, AND POB the downvoting account have, how many tokens he has staked accordingly. If downvoter have staked some VYB, but zero POB staked, reduction will be applied only to HIVE rewards. The reduction of pending VYB rewards is never possible, technically, it is so by design of this token.
Both tags POB and VYB are general use tags, there are no specific rule when you can (or can not) to use them. Most authors always use them BOTH, in parallel.
Thanks so much for this clarification, it explains all I needed to know :) Saves me lots of time to search for it too!
I guess you'll be seeing more of my content, mainly (travel) photography.
With regards to finance & crypto, I don't consider myself successful enough to post on a regular basis :)
Just a few notes.
to be honest, I have not really looked into either Tribe. I am really still learning about how all of these ecosystems on HIVE work and what their purpose is. When I first joined I signed up on LEO not realizing it was actually on HIVE. I have figured it would be better to post through LEO and earn both LEO and HIVE and I try to use the tags for the other tribes. I've seen that I am also earning those tokens as well. Today is Sunday and I have some time to dig into these projects and see what I think. In the meantime I reblogged so it easy for me to find this article to respond again later. Happy New Year !
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LEO on boards from outside hive and has various apps in addition to blogging, I think this sets it apart from pob and vyb. Although I am always supportive of new communities trying to get up and running so I'd say vyb
In my opinion, VYB has more potential as you can't beat the traction that "alive" devs make on a project.
POB has the Lidy Effect at its side, so I basically would hold both.
At the end both projects will signal about the users that are active and engaging in the Hive community, so I think both can be useful for even more future endeavours.
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It is a difficult choice for me to choose between these two tribes, because I have fallen in love with these two tribes. But yeah will try to choose between one of these tribes, this is my heart's choice.
If I want to invest I will prefer in the vyb project. Because if I see the vyb project will have a bright future. How can we easily identify a project that will have a bright future? An easy example, we can see from the perspective of the project team. As we can see now, the vyb project team is very active right now to make great things in vyb. Also the vyb team will always try to take their time to respond to all questions from the community.
How about the pob project team? Perhaps those who are already part of the POB team, will try to respond to community questions. But unfortunately the founder of the POB project don't have time to respond to the community's questions, this is what makes the POB project something that make investors not want investing their money in POB. 🙂
If I had the money to invest, I'd do about 25% POB, 75% VYB.
Reason: VYB seems to have more of a "plan" for itself and what it wants to be. The ownership of POB is a little more ambiguous. Given that they are at close to the same price, I think VYB has more potential upside, also because the "staked" reward payout reduces the constant sell pressure we see with POB.
Reblogged.
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Vyb is way newer, I never heard about them much. But no downvote is good and bad IMO. Downvotes can help alot of spam but get abused by whales.
POB on the other had has a better logo 😂. It has an actual track record and seems more active.
Man this is a hard one but I would have to pick both, invest as even as I can and hope both successful futures.
The essence of VYB is to demonstrate the effectiveness of anti-abuse measures without needing to rely on downvotes. With @scholaris managing that effort, that's where my vote is going (although I am admittedly biased). This is not to say that we will get everything right on the first try -- we most assuredly will not. However, we are committed to doing everything we can to make this VYB experiment a resounding success.
With that said, if you are highly skeptical of our ability to mitigate abuse without relying on downvotes, then you should probably opt for #2 (POB). If you are confident in our ability to do that, then you should probably opt for #1 (VYB). If you are unsure, then maybe a mix of the two is in order. (Not investment advice, of course!)
That's interesting. @calumam designed both logos. He designed the POB logo a couple months after the POB tribe launched -- and I don't think he was asked to do it, I think he just did it and then made it available for POBio to use if he wanted to and he did. With that said, the VYB logo is definitely not set in stone.
I prefer vyb as it encourages not to power down. I like the idea of accumulating funds for retirement. I wished they both have liquidity pools on Beeswap. There is a wide margin between buying and selling orders on both Tribaldex and Leodex. So It prevents buying or selling vyb or pob instantly at a fair price. Hive/pob and Hive/vyb pools also would help pob/vyb price to stabilize. If someone creates the pools paying the initial fee, I suppose many people would like to invest in as a liquidity provider. (At least I would like to invest)
Just the fact that VYB is a community created by people who have encountered problems in POB just like us and who mainly have active members who don't disappear for long periods is already a great advantage. Of course I know they are both intertwined, but if I were to pick one, it would be VYB.
Likely VYB, yet that dies depend on community governance. If a one (anonymous) person one vote (at least partially weighted by a Trusted Reputation score to eliminate alt account votes) system with temporary delegates to concentrate consensus in a purely democratic way is used (eg #matrix8), then my likely would be definite. Development is in progress. Would you be open to learning more about this likely world changing system? Sorry for the not short answer
If i have money and i would invest, i will definitely invest 70 % of the funds on the VYB tokens because they appear to still be new and fresh and in turn they will generate more reward than the already crowded POB communities. So i go with 70% on VYB and 30% on POB
I think I am more bullish on VYB due to the transparency that it started with. It was not a perfect launch but it was by far superior to POB launching. We also know the team behind VYB and there is a bit more trust there I feel. POB is still great, but it is a bit more of a crap shoot. But... looking at all of these comments, POB still is strong!
This Dawg has paws in both POB and VYB.
This Dawg likes the smells in VYB.
Both. I don't know enough about either of them to predict what will happen in the future.
My strategy has always been about casting a wide net.
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Curate in Vyb. So rewards get staked.
Write for POB. Where I stake and withdraw.
POB is only safe heaven for me as I had a lot of trouble writing on leofinance where people can be scary.
Many deep down would not prefer pob because of its founder inactivity and silence.
I also would go for vyb but if pob founder return active,then pob will boost
@onealfa proofofbrain community is still ahead of vyb in term of popularity and age but I will prefer vyb because of the activeness of the developers and the inactivity of pobfounder proofofbrainio
Yeah, I tend to agree. @trostparadox and @calumam is much more approachable, in my opinion. The intent, however, is for VYB to support POB by design. POBio does respond in a limited fashion, but he could respond globally if he wished. That damned even earlier in 2021 kind of killed things for him when his rep went negative. He took it personally.
I was one of the group that received the VYB airdrop. Even though I like POB I would have to pick VYB. The feel of the community is fresher and more inviting. That being said I will continue with POB as well.
to be honest I was trying to understand what POB is.
now you guys confused me even more with VYB 😂
If I was going to invest I would invest in VYB because it is new and young. PoB got off to a great start and is still a good community but it had that issue with a few people on Hive and it caused bad blood. I think this bad blood is still around and will take time to overcome.
With VYB being created it is now a newer adaption built on learnings from PoB.
For investment purposes VYB for the current time. Maybe later back to PoB.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about there.
In time it will recover, there aren't any projects out there without issues or hiccups within their launch I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'm liking what I'm seeing with VYB atm.
I was hoping it would be autonomous from the Hive curation mentality and once it failed that test, I just quit paying attention, but I know some great people in that community.
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Hey @whatsup. I hope your 2022 is off to a great start. I was having a little re-read of the comments here for insight and stumbled onto your message here.
I am wondering if you'd have the time to review the latest @vyb.vyb post that highlights our plans for the VYB Curation Project (VCP)?
It's a bit rough around the edges, but we feel like we're on the right path. Your input and perspective would be greatly appreciated.
I don't understand that part, did I miss something?
As an outsider, it's very unclear to me what either platform adds beyond just Hive-based blog posting, so I'm inclined to say neither.
That being said, I did pick up a little bit of POB when it was insanely lowly priced. I might do the same with VYB if the price drops a lot and the community isn't obviously dead ;).
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For investment, 70% #2, and 30% #2.
You have to take some risk in life to grow big.
Is that what you meant? 100% in #2 (POB)?
No no, I meant 30% in VYB. My mistake.
#1.
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I will surely prefer vyb because it is new , affordable and has measures set out to prevent the issues that lead to the fall of the one time almighty POB. Early investors benefit much from a project and now is the best time to build vyb power.
Most of my HIVE investments were powered down and exchanged for Monero and POB. Then most of my POB investment was moved to VYB - why? - downvoting, downvoting, and endless downvoting!
But many thanks to the downvoters, I made a killing on Hive, and then another one on Monero.
Now ALL my voting is through VYB.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Would you mind answering some interviewing questions regarding VYB and HIVE in general? I asked onealfa and he was game. I was looking at presenting 5 questions to the VYB whales about their goals and insight.
Certainly - one of the things I'm hoping to do on VYB is to be totally transparent - the whole thing of whales with secret agendas is one of my big issues with Hive, and on POB nobody seemed to say anything. I'm keen to put my foot in it!
Awesome. I’ll start writing things up then.
For the time being there is no question of investment, but if I had to I would choose Both!
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I will go for #vyb, though it's new. The reason for this choice is that it has started on a very transparent mode. We know the accounts behind this community and the sources of funds they have. Unlike #pob, we know that the #vyb is backed by the @trostparadox account and he receives delegations from @theycallmedan and I don't think later needs any introduction. This actually gives a lot of comfort in terms of dealing with #vyb.
#2
POB. VYB is POB's evil twin. That's why I am staking VYB to @holovision.cash. VYB will help fund my next hologram-themed caper in Gotham City. I need to get as much VYB as possible to pull it off. It's not like I am as rich as Bruce Wayne.
A unique comment indeed. Could you elaborate further, please?
Imagine there's a soap opera titled Hive Blockchain about the eponymous little town of Hive Blockchain. You've been watching Hive Blockchain and you like the series. During one season a character is introduced named POB and you grow to really like the POB character. Then at the beginning of the following season a twin brother or sister of POB is introduced that had never been mentioned or referred to on-screen before named VYB. VYB isn't like their sibling. VYB is more manipulative and decides to form a homeowner's association to make the psychopathy appear more legitimate. VYB wants to control the politics of Hive Blockchain by changing how the characters of Hive Blockchain vote.
Later in the season VYB starts to become more of an insidious antagonist because VYB believes it is the hero of its own story. Not all the characters of Hive Blockchain want to participate in VYB's web so VYB begins to use POB's post tags...I mean dress like POB to draw the resisting characters into the scheme since they don't use VYB's post tags...I mean have more faith in POB and are wary of VYB wants to do.
I think POB as VYB has no downvotes from what I understand. I am staking both so will see which one increases in value more over time. Wasn't overly happy with how VYB was manipulated in the beginning by ones in the know.
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This is an interesting question, which should you invest in. I was in love with POB when it first came on the scene. I liked the concept of manual curation and the ROI was excellent. There were (and still are) a lot of great posts being generated. That is until the price started slipping and then flat out tanked. If I had invested a huge sum on POB at the beginning, I would surely have lost my shirt at this point. It also seems that some of the people behind POB have moved on and are not as involved. Not sure I can blame @proofofbrainio as he now has a reputation of -1.
I'm a bit late to VYB, but would have similar concerns about investing early. Seems many tribes (tokens) see their prices start high and then fade. LEO is another great example.
I stated out with a "if I make it I stake it" approach. That has not served me well as I've seen most of my stakes in tribes down 90+% in $ value from their highs (POB, LEO, VIBES) despite my continuing to add to the stakes. Recently I'm moving more towards staking a portion, and selling a portion to power up Hive and add to HBD savings.
If I had to chose to put say $50k in one or the other I would likely pick VYB because I'm not sure about the long term for POB. If I could chose another I'd probably pick LEO because it is more mature and has a great team behind it.
Just my 2 cents.
LOL. I see this post is over a month old! Not sure why it showed up in my feed. Strange.
That's really a tough one. My answer is BOTH 😊 !PIZZA
In my opinion I would invest in VYB since POB founder dont communicate with the community so often and that is very bad for a community.
Satoshi Nakamoto hasn't communicated with the bitcoin community in years. How's bitcoin doing?😁
Please dont compare Bitcoin with POB
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I could have but I didn't. You expressed the opinion that a founder of a token not regularly communicating with the token's community is bad. I expressed skepticism since I don't believe the founder of a decentralized token serves a similar role as the U.S. Federal Reserve.
This is not just a decentralized token.
It is a token of a community within a social platform on the web3, so in my opinion the founders of communities must have a fundamental role in communication and engagement between the community, otherwise it ends up being just another community in the middle. of so many and the token value has only one purpose which is to go to 0.
Fair enough.
I would probably choose POB, just because it came first with an original idea, and VYB is just a fork of POB. But I don’t have sufficient information like who runs which, what are the reasons for creating VYB, etc to make an educated investment decision.
Hello, Ms. Geekgirl. VYB is indeed a fork of POB. It is created by @trostparadox. A curation team is in development by @Calumam and I am trying to build a moderation team on this platform.
For reasoning on the creation of VYB, please refer to the following article: New Tribe and Token Verify Your Brain - Vybrainium.
I am available to answer any questions or to redirect you to the people that can answer them.
In that case, I would choose VYB.
Thank you scholaris.
I prefer to think of it as a spoon rather than a fork:
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POB, because I still don't know a lot about VYB. That may change in the future
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Better two than one...Both would be the answer.
#1 VYB
Well is quite complicated to choose between the two and checking from the concept of the two tribes, they deal on the same purpose with no difference as to the kind of post or task it accommodate when both deals with brain and reasoning.
Based on the question regarding where to place my investment in if VYB or POB.
Well out of 100% investment 70% will go to POB while 30% will go to VYB for investment purpose of future rise.
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I prefer POB because I don't know how vyb work, maybe I will check it later but I prefer POB.
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Proof of Brain, the catchy name/branding was what gave the Token so much attention in the first place, imo.
this question is quite difficult to answer i dont want this comment to be too long so i say 50:50, but some other time i will like to explain
What? Make the comment long, friend. State what your impressions are at this time. It will only serve to help in the long run.
ok sir then, when talking about both project they are nice, i can see alot of comment here stating that vyb is still very early so they can't choose vyb.
but if i may ask which of the existing hive engine token has a faster growth in a short while than vyb.
consider the engagements in vyb that is less than a month, not only that, but one of the best criteria to observe before investing into a cryptocurrency is how active the team is and how hard working they are, if you try to get this answer then you love vyb.
vyb accounts is about 4 accounts if its not more than, and aside of that we have teams working like the person of @scholaris.vyb @trostparadox @leprechaun @calumam and others too. i saw a post about seeking for moderators and they will be rewarded with delegations.
even though its new i can see a great future in it.
but one of the reasons i would also love to hold pob is that pob has alot of dedicated members and also vyb will also have a big influence on pob in there nearest future, in the essence that pobio will be forced to work harder on the project and it will be a win win on both sides
Both.
Both.
I read through the comments because they both seem to be about the same to me. Seems like from the comments that POB had some drama a while back and lack of.involvement with the founder is what is holding POB back.
VYB sounds like its newness is holding it back.
I still believe it is too early to tell. So for me, I will go with both.
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