This Week-end we saw a record payout for… wait for it… of all things.... a vlog about makeup.
This was not actually the highest $ value post by a long shot.
That title goes to the first ever post on steemit that was something ridiculous like $140 000. That one was never paid out though, because it was during the non-payout phase of steemit’s evolution. It was diluted down to size by the other posts and votes that came after it.
If you have just joined steemit recently and are wondering how on earth posts are earning so much?
Here is a simple explanation.
The price of steem rose 2000% since the 4th of July
From about 20 cents to around $4.
The pricing of posts is calculated in STEEM but displayed in STEEM dollars. The STEEM to STEEM dollar display rate uses a 7 day smoothed average. So basically the massive rise last week is only visibly apparent now… that’s why we more commonly have posts with values in the thousands and tens of thousands of dollars lately.
But…
The rise in $ values of posts is not only due to the increase in market capitalization.
Believe it or not it has to do with the minnows, shrimps and krill of steemit ecosystem.
All those votes that some new users are complaining about as being useless are not that useless after all.
They just need to be used more wisely.
Many new users are piling onto any post they see with a dollar value beneath it. As a minnow, that is one of the worst ways to use you vote.
I will discuss a better voting strategy for new users at the end of the post…. but for now back to the makeup to explain a few more details of how things work.
Steemit is male dominated by a ratio of roughly 9 males for every 1 female visitor.
-- So some of the voting is just based on testosterone voting for a pretty face, body or what have you.
Whales (heavily invested accounts) know that in order for steemit to truly grow this gender imbalance needs to be rectified.
-- Some whales will vote for female contributors to encourage more female participation and spread STEEM power to create female dolphins.
Steemit is dominated by a few categories that earn much more than others (the circlejerk)
-- Some whales will vote for contributors that have the power to popularize new categories and diversify steemit content.
Some new users are internet celebrities, have many followers or are highly respected in their respective communities.
-- Some whales will vote for celebrity contributors to encourage more celebrity participation and spread STEEM power to create celebrity dolphins.
-- The new dolphins are now invested and are more likely to bring their followers to this platform.
Essentially what you are witnessing with very high payouts is a demographic differentiation, category expansion or sometimes marketing share drop to influential or necessary new users.
This is not the space for minnows to spend their votes.
Once a whale or dolphin has voted a minnow vote only adds to the payout value of the post but does nothing for the minnow.
If the post is really good, by all means vote for it…. But if it already has a very high value that is not necessary but actually defeats the ideals of the platform.
For steemit to grow optimally all users of the system need to be rewarded based on the value they bring to the platform. Everybody pilling in on already valuable posts (bandwagon voting) concentrates the rewards in small areas and excessively high payouts is just one of the consequences.
A new user's votes rewards them the most when they are not pilling in late but finding good content early.
Minnows should look, not at the trending tab, but at the new and active tabs to find good content that has $0.00 or very low values. Finding and voting for good content that has not been discovered by a dolphin or whale will earn minnows much higher rewards if they vote before the big votes come in.
The really big secret for minnows
When we first get to the platform we often think we need to write the best post and get it seen… we see this in the record number of posts being uploaded every day.
However… the real value a minnow can add and be rewarded for is to be found in the comments section.
- Comments get author rewards too
- You can also be the first to vote up your own comment
- That will give you curation rewards for that comment
- If the comment is meaningful, insightful, adds value and is not spam, you are likely to be upvoted by others, even dolphins and whales
- If you write good comments, it is easier to get them seen in popular posts than to write your own popular post and get it seen.
- This will help you to build reputation and be more likely to have a viral post one day.
Good commenting proves you have engaged with the content and are adding to the conversation, not spamming. Spamming will only get you downvoted and result in reputation loss.
This worked for me... I have had some comments earn $500 and its a great strategy for those starting out small. I usually only vote for the already popular posts if they are exceptionally good or the consistently popular authors if I find their stuff early.
I always vote up good comments whenever I find them, and I make sure I look for them in my own posts too. I know other dolphins, whales and super whales do too.
One of the important things here is to maintain honesty . Vote for posts and comments that are really good, or similar to your personal preferences. Many strategies made just for making money, are destined to fail, probably work a while but the community will go towards equilibrium.
The best strategy is generate value and find good posts or comments before the rest.
Great post!
You are a perfect example....of the mentioned good approach!Well done!!
I feel like a fool because I'm fighting with the wind by posting gifs and other monkey game stuff and I can not even achieve $1 and... you just come along and post a logic comment based on your observation and here you go...you're going to make a RECORD comment!
This is exactly what I was talking about, a great comment that attracts a whale vote because its just that good....
I saw a gif worth that much.
It must have been good
What a great post. Thanks for encouraging new users to seek out and support quality content. Informative and clearly laid out; you have dispelled a lot of initial confusion for minnows with this sharing. Thanks :)
Great post.
However, I disagree on one point. Writing valuable posts is far more profitable when time is considered than writing comments. A valuable post in a popular tag can credibly make $100-$1,000, from what I've seen with at least a 20% probability.
If so, this means by writing 5 valuable posts a day spread out across the day in peak periods, you will on average make $100-$1000 a day.
Crafting a comment with a high $ value is far more difficult. Certain posts require levity, in which case memes are highly rewarded. Others require more serious reflection.
This means the average payout for comments is not only subject to greater variability but on average would probably be far lower than that for valuable posts. Which means to make a reasonable amount of money per day by commenting , you have to write a lot of comments.
In fact, an optimal way to make money through comments is through automated shitposting, in other words by scaling production of comments as with a large enough sample you are likely to 'strike gold' ,as it were - to produce a well rewarded comment.
This can be observed by checking the wallets of memes-shitposters, and comment bots.
However, if you don't think you write valuable content, commenting is certainly an optimal approach. With enough iterations of rubbish comments, a few will be well rewarded. And those that aren't will collect dust which accumulates (i.e. a cent here a dollar there).
Well written.... this adds aspects to the discussion I didn't have space to expand on.
Content contribution is definitely more rewarding once you get it right, but some battle to get it right initially by nor reaching or finding their intended audience.
Content is highly rewarded because after all you are creating great value in the form of original content.
However when you are starting out it feels like votes are worthless and that is the other half of creating value on steemit. I made the mistake of ignoring voting initially because I felt my $0.00 vote added nothing to the ecosystem.
I have since found out otherwise.
Upvoting your own comment and post can earn you more STEEM Power than herd voting or blind voting to the point that your vote becomes more meaningful. Thereafter you will be more able to reward others good content with it and become a true curator.
"Many new users are piling onto any post they see with a dollar value beneath it. As a minnow, that is one of the worst ways to use you vote."
This is exceptionally important, and looks to be the case with many minnows. If a post is already worth a few thousand dollars it can be exciting to see that and quick hit the upvote button to join in the fray, but it's likely at that point the curation reward ship has sailed. Look for the diamonds in the rough, surf the "created" section for excellent articles that are new and haven't yet received the attention they deserve. This is how to truly maximize your curation rewards.
Fellow minnows, your voting strength is important! Use it wisely.
There are enough new sign up's everyday that, like deer in the headlights, can't help voting for a $10 000 post. Users that have been around a bit longer do not to have to do it!
I know I did it for quite a while when I first started before I realized it's actually bad for me and all other small users, because of reward centralization.
Very insightful, and very true, I was lucky enough to be graced with an upvote from @berniesanders , which totally made my day, and multiplicated my steem power (i'm still a minnow, but a growing one) :)
I do believe it is the best way to "start" and build reputation, as it involves less luck then hoping to make a viral post.
Have a most excellent day @gavvet !
@berniesanders is the man... votes from him when I was new to the platform really motivated me to keep trying, even when many of my posts were not very good.
New users shouldn't vote too often, beacuse with every vote their voting power will reduce a little bit.
Your voting power looks like about this: Steempower / Your daily votes.
Steam has a moving avarage to calculate your daily votes. If you don't vote for 24 hours you will get your maximum voting power.
Spot on. Many people are trying to make a quick buck and don't see the real value of the platform. You've got my vote:)
The above comment is the example of a great comment, which should get lots of votes.
Thanks, I wanted to add something useful to the subject. :)
And very useful it is. Both from a content perspective and also to illustrate the point.
Ironically, now I'm scared to vote on it.
You are right. Spoting the trending articles before the crowd is essential.
5 weeks ago I didn't know about it. At time there were new users who upvoted everything, to receive curation rewards, they had about 20-30% voting power. I reflected to this behaviour.
Thank you for writing this. You have pretty much read my thoughts!
This is what I've have been doing.
I've also made it a point to vote for posts that are beyond payout time from authors who have put serious effort into it. I understand it may not yield me much or any $$$ but there are many great posts that have not been discovered by whales and dolphins. It benefits the authors and doesn't cost me a dime!
So as a Sea Monkey (in between lil' fish and big fish) I've made it a point to encourage authors who feel let down because they haven't gotten any votes. There are hundreds of them out there. Few I've had the pleasure to know through our interactions.
Go discover some today!
You are simply awesome @firepower and your slack chat tips so sweet and helpful ! Thank you !!!
@mammasitta Thank you so much. Hoping to stick around and continue helping out. :)
Thank You ! I just woke up and saw your message after posting a new story ! 1 min after it was out , the system went down again 😭
Snapchat type garbage posts get my downvote every time. If you appear to be "selling" yourself physically I am not impressed. Content is what is needed, not kim kardashian type self promotion. I encourage everyone to flag garbage. Even if it is mine!
Here we goooo .That's exactly what I tried to say . I would even except to be flagged down for my boobs photo but thanks God I was 9 months pregnant in the photo ...hahaa ...your comment got my upvote !
Thanks for the insights on how comments to good posts can help minnows. Always up vote your comments!
Glad I could help! I focus most of my curation efforts on comments.
That's an intresting strategy. I also give it a try!
It works well!!! I have been testing it more and more since the 4th of July when I discovered my vote could actually give someone a reward.
Great write-up. Read it all. But I have a question..who came with this fish denominations?! Are steemit-canon now?...
Fish analogies come from market trading circles...
Interesting! Are you a trader?
Interesting read. Keep it up.
You've already made the comment, it may be noticed and rewarded more if you say a bit about what aspects of the post you found interesting.
I guess you learn something new everyday!! Thanks a lot. I was doing a lot of those mistakes for the past 2-3 days. YOU are a life saver! Thank you! :)
Glad I could help :) My true reward is when people benefit from what I write about....
We all have something within us that want's to make a difference. Steemit has granted me a voice.
as always, you are a rock star when it comes to useful content. :-)
You are the true Rock Star of steemit cryptoctopus.
When you burst onto the scene a lot of things changed for the better.
You single-handedly nudged steemit into a new phase of its evolution and broadened perspectives of what it could become.
COME VISIT INDONESIA :)
Bromo Volcano At Sunrise, Java, Indonesia
I love the picture, its beautiful, but since you say nothing that relates to the conversation, it may be considered spam.
Perhaps English is not your strength? why not post comments in your own language, with a google translate below.
I would love to see more foreign languages from the global audience on steemit.
okey... thanks
please visit my others blog steemit
Ural Mountains
https://steemit.com/photography/@moh-rokib/beautiful-indonesia-bromo
Thank you for explaining this to the many new users here. This is one of the most helpful posts I have seen regarding how minnows can best contribute and add value to this platform. Meaningful comments are what seem to be lacking from other social media sites. (I tend to never even bother looking at YouTube comments) but here I look forward to seeing comments that people took the time to think about before they posted. Getting good discussions is just as important as posting interesting or educational content. I will look forward to your future posts. Again this is probably one of the first things new users should view before they start going click happy voting on popular posts.
Comments also allow the author to have feedback from the audience and adjust if necessary.
I didn't completely understand what you're trying to say. Which of these two statements is true:
Because the only thing that we should expect minnows to care about is curation rewards.
Content creation is one way you add value to the system, curation voting is the other. Finding good content that doesn't have a high price tag yet and voting for it helps others to find it more easily... that way your early vote helps that author and to diversify rewards on steemit. Steemit algorithms then reward you more for your early curation efforts.
Cool, that was basically my question - whether early voters get rewarded more than later voters. Thanks.
This is a really useful post. I think the points about not just piling in and voting for the most popular posts is absolute gold for people starting out. I think it is very easy to forget that the whole value of voting is to curate content. Simply voting for what is popular is not curation and therefore should not be rewarded to the same degree which makes total sense.
That's how the platform is designed, to find true value
Great advice, you clarified a lot! Thanks for the insight!
thanks for the wisdom.... it will help everyone play the game of steemit more carefully now. heheh thanks
...and what a fun game it is.
I learn from others and become more creative as a bonus.
Where else can you get paid to develop these?
true!! very true!
Yeah, I've yet to get any significant upvotes, but that's ok. I enjoy contributing to this growing community! I'm having fun trying to build up posts about Lego, something that has an active Reddit community that I like to engage in...hopefully one day we'll see all of these substeemits blossom. 🌷
Invite your Lego friends over, build your own community.... it works.
Awesome post!
I feel like there was definitely some confusion about curation and minnow voting so thanks for explaining it in a way that's easy for everyone to understand :D
this is a really helpful and great article ! thank you
Very good post, and insightful. Thanks for your contribution to the steemit community. 😊
Source on this? I seem to recall a post about Alexa data showing that it was majority female (a rarity in the crypto space).
Source is google analytics based on browser stats of users hitting the site.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@gavvet/steemit-age-demographic-and-gender-evolution-and-the-north-america-vs-europe-comparison
Thank you!
Great breakdown for someone just beginning. I have yet to post an article or anything, as i just joined yesterday. Good to know theres much more to this than i inititally thought. I thought the ocean ecosystem analogies were excellent!
I cant claim credit for them though... they come from market trading circles.
Totally agree, I feel like the comments section has been overlooked by so many people!
I didn't know upvoting one's own comment provided any benefit, so that's really interesting. Thanks!
Glad I could help
Thank you gavvet! I have been on Steemit for about a week, looking around, learning how everything works and as a n00b here I can say that this article really helps gain some true perspective as to how/where to start. My first payout was for $6.34 from 1 comment I posted on an article that provoked thought so if commenting/upvoting are what's comfortable to start with then..... RUN IT! And enjoy the ride :-) #n00b #StartingPoint #Minnow #MinnowVote #MinnoWvsWhalE #Upvote
comments are great, far less disappointing than a 0.00 post
Thank you very much for these pointers. I'm just starting and trying to be of value to the platform, these posts are really helpfull! I'm restraining myself from up voting this post of yours...
Excellent, the are enough new sign up's that are voting before even reading, if you are one less blind voter, my work is done... for today :)
Good point, but it is low payment of steemit power, how to get bigger of that?
If you find good stuff early, you STEEM power for finding it is multiplied by the big votes that follow after you.
Ok i see, tanks for the tipp :)
Remember, Steemit is young. Posts and tags that endure will reap rewards, e.g. ones being described in #steemit-potential
I should note that the development branch on github claims voting becomes disabled on posts after 30 days :-/
Tagging posts appropriately = effectively, I tagged my first as "memoir" and nada. As a minnow, which I didn't even know I was called until reading this, I could use a post on that.
Good article, gave me a couple of ideas.
I have learnt many things over the last weekend regarding steemit; a truly extraordinary thing we are all doing here!!
The herd voting is very common and I have actually seen spam being voted up in the new section of the site. Too much disparity in voting surely lead new users to vote for already voted posts.
It will get better over time... it was far worse when there were fewer people on the platform... with each new active user the balance improves... especially if they vote wisely.
True but the important point here is "wisely" let us see how it turns out with time I am hoping that herd voting will stop and relevant content will be voted as per its merit.
thanks for the insight!
Gavvet is a great teacher here for us newbies. A comment I made on another of his posts earned me almost as much as an original post as I have no followers. Or the fact that she or he replied to my reply, not sure which.
That all said I just plan to like what I like and say what I feel, no expectations of whaledom in my future.
steemit is a great place to read and learn from great content, there are far more benefits than just the monetary rewards.
Very much like mine post . maybe im not a whales enough to get some attentions . much hurt lol, or im not a good author lel :p
Check my blog up this shrimp trying to avoid gettint swallow by whales lel
https://steemit.com/steemit/@rainchen/tips-and-trick-newbies
This is a great thing that can happen on Steemit. You Gavvet and a lot of other people that are trying to help up us, you all are rewarded for the hard work and only then the people should vote up a post or a comment!!!That's why the upvote button is for!!
I find it interesting and positive, that topics outside the blockchain & crypto discussion are getting high rewards as well. This means that Steemit is starting to attract a bigger variety of people, with different interests.
Great article, very insightful, thx!
Br,
Martin
I long for that day when very little discussion is about the underlying tech... then steemit will have arrived
The more money these posts make, the more us as users have to be aware we are dealing with real value and need to take security precautions serious. Please be careful
https://steemit.com/steemit/@decryptson/in-wake-of-steemit-hack-important
Very good post with good explanations. I hope to see a lot more posts like this in the future. SteemIt is a bit complicated to the new user, so things like this definitely deserve to be voted up. Thanks a million! :0)
Only a pleasure
a useful strategy but most people will take the path of least resistance
Ahhh - ok this is making more sense now. Got it!
It took a while for me too. keep it up
Thank you for this post and the insightful replies. As a very new user I have zero idea about the nuances of voting, and have apparently just been wasting them. :( This kind of information is very valuable to the new users, is there a FAQ where we can find more info like this by any chance?
The search function, next to submit, will lead you to many helpful posts.
As usual, your posts are always insightful. You're not only a great data analyst but a good writer too.
Steemit is helping me to improve every day
Great post thanks maybe good #Karma will come my way soon. I was #Hacked but not on #Steemit but my #Exchanges and #Wallets and they took everything i had i need to make a comeback even though i have great post i dont get much.
Write another... very interesting
Its in the pipeline
Thanks for the tips. Putting it into action right now! (after this one :P )
You should have resisted the temptation....
In short
Plus: Post quality stuff yourself of course.
Well summarised
I feel like we should promote this behavior more. One key aspect of the platform in the future will be the ability to actually find suitable content and get good recommendations early. In this early stage it's different for users to find matching personal recommendations from steemit. This should be of high priority going forward.
Edit: Great post by @anonymint on how to tackle this problem: https://steemit.com/steemit/@anonymint/improving-steem-s-rankings-to-cater-to-diverse-content-preferences