"Monetizing the content of others is plagiarism.
If we allow it then it is all we will have and the platform gets abandoned by folks that value real work over stolen work."
No. Plagiarism is claiming to have authored what someone else did. Monetizing content someone else created is publishing. I don't fault you for desiring original content, at all. However, I disagree that if you allow folks to monetize content they didn't create that is all there will be. In fact I reckon that's insuperable hyperbole.
Content on Hive draws eyeballs, and it doesn't matter one whit if the monetizer created it themselves or not in that regard. Monetizers that only post the content of others run the risk of simply being replaced, because anyone can do that, most particularly the creators of the content. That is what we are doing to TV and other legacy publishing platforms, posting our own content instead of such monetizers doing the publishing. Your definition of plagiarism would cast all legacy publishers as plagiarists, which is clearly not the case.
Where it gets absurd is when the content monetized is from creators that have been flagged off Hive.
By being particularly rigorous you avoid misunderstanding that grows in consequence the further you stray from base principle, such as when you can claim you are defending authors of content from plagiarists when flagging monetizers of content whose authors don't post on Hive because you have flagged them until they gave up.
That's just silly.
Regarding authors that post the same content elsewhere and here, and don't engage with their audience here, flagging that content here forces it's audience to go elsewhere to get it. Their audience will ascertain how valuable their engagement is and act accordingly in a market in which some authors do engage substantively. Seems to me you are trying to micromanage the entire community's interests, which is proverbially herding cats, and intolerable tyranny in the Soviet style.
In both these ways negative curation actually suppresses content that has a market on Hive, and suppresses the market for Hive. I'm pretty sure that flying flags on anything but spam, scams, plagiarism - the real definition of plagiarism - and legally actionable criminal speech, suppresses the market for Hive, and not flagging those things does too.
Your cabal is critically important to Hive and requires precision in it's targeting relative to it's import, which accuracy seems to yet be developing. bractice makes berfect. Please, get better.
Look in @freebornsociety's activities filtered for downvotes and show me the abusive flags.
If it was a problem at one time, it is not as much a problem now.
Imo, not enough people have the facts of what is occurring today as opposed to what occurred prior to the fork to hive.
Follow the flaggots and offer your feedback on what they do.
Absent this input, we get what we got.
I did it, and I changed my opinion on what was actually occurring with the flaggots.
Fyi, flaggot is an @skeptic coined term, I adopted it as a way to mitigate taboos around flagging.
Nobody complains about the upvotes.
This is why we need trolls. @skeptic was one of the worst writers I have ever corresponded with, yet I find the term he coined as expressive as any I've ever used.
I fear my writing has conveyed meaning I didn't intend. The word 'you' can do that, when used generally and read by someone that interprets it as 'you, personally'. I have not looked at anyone's history and did not mean to accuse you personally of anything except insofar as you are actually downvoting. There are times when I find I am upvoting posts you have downvoted. I am not compiling a list of your sins, and only have here sought to benefit from your exposition of your actions when you defend yourself from my accusation of flagging for political reasons, as I did see that happening.
I am glad I did, because your eloquent exposition of your purpose and that of the Watchers has significantly changed my understanding, which formerly was quite baffled that you were party to it. We may yet disagree on points, as is proper. I am greatly encouraged to consider your comments here, and to see the fruits of your work in the posts available from accounts that had ceased to post, or continued to struggle against efforts to destroy them that is now ended or reduced.
I am somewhat shamed to not participate myself, but I do work daily with my hammer and saw, and am incapable of a meaningful commitment to participation yet. Neither am I convinced my participation would be all that welcome, lol. Since I depend on my time working to sustain myself on goodwill, I would be loathe to need to depend on Hive, as would be necessary at some point. I probably need to spend some Hive so I can quit bragging I never do. No one needs such humbling more than I, IMHO.
Ackshually, @r0nd0n has, or at least has acted to counter them by flagging himself. Again, this is why I am confident we need trolls. Unreasonable opinions shake us out of our familiar context and make us reconsider everything from the ground up, which is more valuable than I can relate.
Despite my refusal to commit to your recommended course, I have had extensive discussion regarding some flags, and did see one account blacklisting reversed, which greatly increased my respect for the blacklister, far more than it did the blacklisted.
Ron is the don, for sure.
One of the most well reasoned people I've known.
I wouldn't worry too much about offending me, only I can do that.
I often misinterpret what people say because what they think they said is not always what I heard them to say.
It comes across as talking past them, sometimes.
Other times it is a conversational tactic to try to get them to think.
To examine their beliefs as they may be wrong.
As unexamined beliefs can be.
Conversations such as you offer put a toll on me, I have to think deeply, and that is very much like work.
Good for me, makes me richer, but wears me out when I get too much.
You'll notice I had to take a nap.
If you could give the hive more time it will only serve to make it better, imo.
At some point the networking effect has to kick and that we haven't sold will enrich us monetarily as much as it has intellectually.
At least, that is the hopium I keep huffing.
I have intended to be here as long as we last, both me and Hive. Recently I have observed an Android phone send a text the owner of the phone did not type and send, and that has chilled me more than I can describe. My confidence in my ability to remain online is now in question.
Still, Hive, as long as I can speak freely and read others forthright speech, will be the last place I leave, if I do. I no longer use a phone at all, as I cannot get a landline here that doesn't require a digital interface, which allows the spoofing I observed. I cannot permit Goolag to send words ascribed to me that I did not speak, and I don't have a phone otherwise.
I will seek to resolve that problem, but if Goolag is spoofing texts, it's an extremely intransigent problem. I am unsure of what that means for the internet using linux computers and VPN exclusively, which is how I go online.
Sorry I am excessively verbose. I do undertake to say precisely what I mean, and despite that sometimes miscommunicate, but always use more words than seems necessary.
They have phones now that are degoogled, perhaps that is an option, if you need a phone.
All anybody can ask of another is for them to be themselves, take all the words you need.
I will look into Rob Braxman's site, because I remember he does that.
Kennyskitchen put out a post about one, too.
I think maxigan was talking about on he was using in one of his videos.