Have you read 1984? Goerge Orwell chooses the name Emmanuel Goldstein not by randomly, of course that time he was inspired a lot by the nazism. 1984 was a fictional novel, but in the history jews was always guilty for everything that happened, see Dreyfus affair which was before any speculation of WWII. Maybe your venn represents nowadays, but I guess that it is something wilder.
I think that many of us have not, (have not) lived through the period when Nazism(extreme right) in the Western world dominated, because otherwise they would give more importance to the word freedom, I grew up with values of equality and freedom that's why I don't understand the prevarication of one over the other......
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Where’s the moderate, liberal, western minded area? Like the one where you have rights but respect those of others. Where you have freedom but respect the freedom of others. Where you can grow and build but respect certain rules for it.
How you define extreme right, like mass media and left politicians in Europe today?
The "conservative values" in the common area between extreme right and islamism are quite different. While under islam peace will arrive only after all have surrendered to islam and homosexuals get punished (if not worse), the extreme right just want that each nation has it´s right to conserve it´s culture, habits and demographic structure within it´s territory, but does not care about religion or sexual orientation, as far as I know.
As I don't watch mass media, I don't use their wrong classification of left and right.
I define extreme right as Nazi-like, a strong focus on ethnicity, persecution of minorities, suppression of dissenting views, strong directing of the economy, aggressive towards its neighbors, etc.
the extreme right just want that each nation has it´s right to conserve it´s culture, habits and demographic structure within it´s territory, but does not care about religion or sexual orientation, as far as I know.
What you talk about is conservative or Mitte-rechts. I think that is what parties like CDU/CSU or ÖVP were until the early 1990s. The extreme right does not conserve its culture, but destroys it (like the Nazis). This is because culture is the result of dissenting and diverse opinions, discussions, writings, art, music, etc. The extreme right burns entartete Kunst and monopolizes "culture".
Btw, what´s islamism? It should read islam.
Hmm, I understand what you mean, but don't you think that Islam and its writings has some spiritual and interesting content and that a relevant part of the muslim world is peaceful (unfortunately their current leaders from Iran to the Saudis are not)?
Agree with you on the extreme rights. According to your definition there are no such parties in the DACH region, despite FPÖ and AfD are titled to be such parties by their political opponents (instead using real arguments).
Agree also on the islam part, but Ergogan himself has once noted that using the word islamism alone is an offence to islam.
The religion part may be peaceful, but the problem is that with islam you get only the full package, islam = religion + politics + influence over the daily life in all aspects. One can´t carve out or pick the better things. That´s why there is so little peace in all countries where islam is dominating or trying to dominate.
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I think Europeans achieved their current economic development by importing cheap Muslim workers.
I think the labor of Muslim workers (mostly Turkish) played a role, but a minor one. The wages of these workers quickly rose to normal levels in Europe. And this was a win-win situation as the Muslim workers could earn way more money than in their home countries and they had much more physical safety and political stability than before.
By the way, Do you want Muslim workers living in Europe to leave Europe?😯
Is it important what I want?
No. In think that people already (legally) living in Europe should have and probably have the right to stay in Europe.
I think that it is reasonable for a country to exactly define what kind of immigration it wants. Canada and Australia had or have such policies. For example a country can define positive criteria for potential immigrants: no criminal record, ability to speak the country's language(s), education level, certain skills that are in high demand, perhaps wealth (ability to contribute to the country's tax income), ...
Unfortunately some countries are unable to integrate immigrants properly, e.g. Germany hasn't been able to integrate its millions of Turkish immigrants (as compared to Switzerland that does relatively well).
I think the labor of Muslim workers (mostly Turkish) played a role, but a minor one. The wages of these workers quickly rose to normal levels in Europe. And this was a win-win situation as the Muslim workers could earn way more money than in their home countries and they had much more physical safety and political stability than before.
Dear @zuerich !
I agree with you! Muslims believe they have better jobs and better incomes in Europe than in the Islamic world.
Unfortunately some countries are unable to integrate immigrants properly, e.g. Germany hasn't been able to integrate its millions of Turkish immigrants (as compared to Switzerland that does relatively well).
The immigration of Muslim workers is also increasing in East Asia. However, East Asians are concerned about the fact that Muslim workers in Europe are committing many terrorist acts and crimes.
So, There is a growing number of East Asians who believe that East Asian culture and Muslim culture cannot coexist and harmonize with each other.
East Asian men find Turkistan people who enjoy alcohol and pork and Muslim workers from Indonesia easily adaptable to East Asian culture!😄
So Most East Asian men are arguing that only Muslim workers who enjoy pork and alcohol should be allowed to enter their country.
Hi, probs none of my business but thought you might like to know - I was just hunting for my old friend on here, @buckaroobaby, and I see she has pretty much left - haven't heard from her in ages and she hasn't written or commented since March? I noticed you were delegating to her and thought you might like to delegate to someone active as it seems like a waste for you. xx
Have you read 1984? Goerge Orwell chooses the name Emmanuel Goldstein not by randomly, of course that time he was inspired a lot by the nazism. 1984 was a fictional novel, but in the history jews was always guilty for everything that happened, see Dreyfus affair which was before any speculation of WWII. Maybe your venn represents nowadays, but I guess that it is something wilder.
I think that many of us have not, (have not) lived through the period when Nazism(extreme right) in the Western world dominated, because otherwise they would give more importance to the word freedom, I grew up with values of equality and freedom that's why I don't understand the prevarication of one over the other......
!COFFEE
!PIZZA
!LUV
Where’s the moderate, liberal, western minded area? Like the one where you have rights but respect those of others. Where you have freedom but respect the freedom of others. Where you can grow and build but respect certain rules for it.
This area does not fit into this diagram. The 3 ideologies above are the antithesis to liberalism.
How you define extreme right, like mass media and left politicians in Europe today?
The "conservative values" in the common area between extreme right and islamism are quite different. While under islam peace will arrive only after all have surrendered to islam and homosexuals get punished (if not worse), the extreme right just want that each nation has it´s right to conserve it´s culture, habits and demographic structure within it´s territory, but does not care about religion or sexual orientation, as far as I know.
Btw, what´s islamism? It should read islam.
As I don't watch mass media, I don't use their wrong classification of left and right.
I define extreme right as Nazi-like, a strong focus on ethnicity, persecution of minorities, suppression of dissenting views, strong directing of the economy, aggressive towards its neighbors, etc.
What you talk about is conservative or Mitte-rechts. I think that is what parties like CDU/CSU or ÖVP were until the early 1990s. The extreme right does not conserve its culture, but destroys it (like the Nazis). This is because culture is the result of dissenting and diverse opinions, discussions, writings, art, music, etc. The extreme right burns entartete Kunst and monopolizes "culture".
Hmm, I understand what you mean, but don't you think that Islam and its writings has some spiritual and interesting content and that a relevant part of the muslim world is peaceful (unfortunately their current leaders from Iran to the Saudis are not)?
Agree with you on the extreme rights. According to your definition there are no such parties in the DACH region, despite FPÖ and AfD are titled to be such parties by their political opponents (instead using real arguments).
Agree also on the islam part, but Ergogan himself has once noted that using the word islamism alone is an offence to islam.
The religion part may be peaceful, but the problem is that with islam you get only the full package, islam = religion + politics + influence over the daily life in all aspects. One can´t carve out or pick the better things. That´s why there is so little peace in all countries where islam is dominating or trying to dominate.
The memes are funny 😂😂
Finding it hard to understand the Snowden picture though 😂
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I remember that after World War II, Europeans imported cheap Muslim workers, and now there are tens of millions of Muslims living in Europe.
I think Europeans achieved their current economic development by importing cheap Muslim workers.
By the way, Do you want Muslim workers living in Europe to leave Europe?😯
I think the labor of Muslim workers (mostly Turkish) played a role, but a minor one. The wages of these workers quickly rose to normal levels in Europe. And this was a win-win situation as the Muslim workers could earn way more money than in their home countries and they had much more physical safety and political stability than before.
Dear @zuerich !
I agree with you! Muslims believe they have better jobs and better incomes in Europe than in the Islamic world.
The immigration of Muslim workers is also increasing in East Asia. However, East Asians are concerned about the fact that Muslim workers in Europe are committing many terrorist acts and crimes.
So, There is a growing number of East Asians who believe that East Asian culture and Muslim culture cannot coexist and harmonize with each other.
East Asian men find Turkistan people who enjoy alcohol and pork and Muslim workers from Indonesia easily adaptable to East Asian culture!😄
So Most East Asian men are arguing that only Muslim workers who enjoy pork and alcohol should be allowed to enter their country.
Danke gut!
Hi, probs none of my business but thought you might like to know - I was just hunting for my old friend on here, @buckaroobaby, and I see she has pretty much left - haven't heard from her in ages and she hasn't written or commented since March? I noticed you were delegating to her and thought you might like to delegate to someone active as it seems like a waste for you. xx