WRC opening day in Greece.
With Fall upon us, it is time to prepare for our final quarter of 2024. Q4 spans October, November and December and while a series of ongoing promotional activities are planned, this is the time we work on our end of year reviews and plan ahead.
Please keep an eye out for some exciting new engagement opportunities and announcements, including the upcoming launch of the public VP website and portal!
The Value Plan event contribution team of Hive volunteers is at well over 200 people who do everything from organizing events to mentoring during hackathons to interacting with the public at conference booths. Out of these, the project managers are @lordbutterfly, @guiltyparties and @crimsonclad. As before, your Value Plan keyholders remain @theycallmedan, @smooth, @guiltyparties, @crimsonclad and @blocktrades.
In this proposal we are seeking to complete the annual budget with 200,000 HBD, which will also as we intend, will eliminate the need for a Q1 2025 Bridge.
Upcoming Major Events
Major events for Hive are either large conferences or similarly large-scale initiatives expecting multiple tiers of exposure.
TechEx Conference - Amsterdam - October 1-2
Once again the focal point of our participation at this massive event will be a Hive Networking space and a presentation by @McSamm with the help of @Collinz in respect to the Community Well Project and the related digital innovation introduced through Hive in Ghana. We have a small contingency of local Hive community members who will attend and support the promotional aspects of this engagement. This conference has been pre-scheduled for nearly a year and is part of a two-event participation package.
Website: https://www.digitaltransformation-week.com/europe/ (please note that it is still being updated at this time)
Last year's display.
Those who would like to attend and need tickets: please let us know in the comments below. We will need a way to contact you off-chain for logistical coordination purposes.
Central European Rally - October 17-20
To finish off our year of promotion in racing, Hive will be once again be participating in the CER. The CER takes places in three different countries in Europe: Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic.
While we do not receive community tickets, those who are interested in attending should please let us know in comments below.
Next year's schedule remains undetermined and we will hold a community discussion to ensure we can capitalize on every selected location and the promotional opportunities see more interaction (after WRC announces the rallies, of course, as there are some changes year to year).
Explanation of Value Plan
A lot of people have misunderstood what VP is and what it is not and for this reason a new explanation is in order. We hope this explanation answers your questions but if it does not, please include them in your comments.
VP is not an Incubator or Accelerator
Incubators and Accelerators take startups and new projects and fund, mentor and support them until the project is able to support itself. They rely on investor funds, grants and similar sources of funding. They serve startup businesses and projects that people have initiated and that need a helping hand. The needs are determined by the people who apply to their services. The startups and projects get funding and are responsible to use it but are not monitored. Leftover funds aka funding gained by these startups and projects through the program is profit and may be rolled into the business or used however the owners would like.
The normal Decentralize Hive Fund (DHF) is a version of an Incubator/Accelerator model. Its purpose is to fund improvements to Hive. It lacks a set scope as each proposal is evaluated separately by community members. Proposal owners submit their requirements for either on-going expenses, project-based expenses or backpay. The DHF allows for infrastructure costs, salaries, curation, social impact without promotion, development, and whatever it is that may be proposed and approved. Proposal owners may pay themselves and others and may collect any profits their venture makes.
VP is a scope-based promotional budget where it decides what activities will be carried out and where. The project is normally selected before the organizer is - a conference doesn't have its Hive staff until it's decided that we will attend. The person who brings up the idea may not be the person who attends it. The only change to this is with projects that require niche expertise, such as sports or social impact-related. If funds are left over, they may be put into subsequent activities (carried over) if the same organizer is in charge of multiple deliverables with the same project or refunded back to the main budget. No funds may be used for salaries and no profits of any kind may be retained.
With Hive-initiated events, VP decides what events are held and where they are held. It aims to crowd-source recommendations and people have regularly reached out through various chats or here in comments (a clearer system is being developed at this time). If an event location is not viable for external reasons, we discontinue a planned activity or not carry it out in the first place. We always look for new opportunities globally while still maintaining our position in locations where we have a strong foothold.
In summary:
Incubator | DHF | VP |
---|---|---|
for startups | for anything that benefits Hive | only for Hive promotion |
lump sum funds | funds over time | funds as necessary |
admin support in form of mentorship | only community feedback | ongoing project management and community feedback |
can keep profits | can keep profits | cannot keep profits |
can pay salaries | can pay salaries | cannot pay salaries |
paid staff and investors | both paid staff and volunteers | only volunteers |
monetary incentives for participation | intristic incentives and monetary incentives | only intristic incentives |
VP is only about Hive promotion
It is a misconception that VP is designed to make people's lives better in various locations. While its excellent that we can do this while promoting Hive, this is not its purpose. Any social impact activities or activities where a social impact is possible are used for promotional purposes.
These promotional purposes (of the social impact projects) are not onboarding the local demographic to Hive. There are many issues with that: one, we often face barriers in literacy and two, it is a balance of ethics. It is highly unethical to come to people who are suffering and promise them a solution that we cannot control, such as that they will earn a living wage by posting on Hive. We do not do such things. What we do is explain what Hive is and let the individuals who are interested and feel they are suitable make a decision.
So how do the social impact projects promote? In the immediate term, they lead to localized media coverage, which we desperately need. In the long term, they allow us to showcase that Hive has the ability to change the world through decentralization. We are seeing everyone from the representatives of large humanitarian organizations to conference organizers reach out to us. Unfortunately, this type of promotion is a slow burn and discussions on partnerships and opportunities for Hive can span well over a year.
When it comes to sports, people tend to believe that VP is about sponsoring athletes. This is not the case. VP evaluates existing opportunities to showcase Hive at sporting events and activities and covers the cost of participation. It cannot support athletes during their day to day training and existence as athletes. For events where VP is the organizer, the event is placed in a location with a predetermined audience size and quality.
What do we mean when we speak of quality of the audience? We recognize that Hive is not the right solution for everyone. It is best for individuals who are already financially stable, literate, have an interest in technology, have a business perhaps, and are able to positively contribute to the ecosystem. Students who love technology are a focal point at a segment of events. With the definition of quality we must also include the numbers of the audience. Any non-targeted public activity must be seen by as large of a crowd as possible and we typically aim for 500+.
At conferences, VP is focused on finding the best and most affordable opportunities. We have seen a very unfavorable market across all domains and this has affected every conference out there, be it crypto-focused or not. Attendance is down and more students are flocking to conferences than ever with the goal of securing a job. It is the job of the owners of the conference to fill their event with a wide range of people such as of course the students but also business professionals, investors, founders of various types and so on. If we have attended a conference in the past and saw partially-empty auditoriums, we will not renew our attendance. If we found a conference filled with only job-seekers, we will not renew. However, if a conference has gone above and beyond for us while being professionally organized with many great participants and visitors invited, we are grateful and happy with the relationship.
Overall and in summary, there is some confusion of how projects start. While VP project ideas are introduced by community members, the actual projects start as VP projects -- they do not exist as projects or entities prior to this. These are not projects that were already created by someone and were then 'sponsored' by VP. VP does not sponsor anything. Further, any attempt to introduce a personal for-profit project to VP under the misconception that it an Incubator/Accelerator, is blocked. One cannot start a project and hope that it will be 'picked up' by VP. This is a common point of misunderstanding.
With village elders and MissBitcoin during the launch of the latest Hive well in Ghana.
VP management and projections
The development of VP's Hive promotions are recommended by its project managers, by partners and event organizers, or by community members new to VP. It welcomes ideas for promotional initiatives. These are typically shared in a variety of ways including in comments of VP posts, directly to the project managers and organizers, or on chat platforms.
The preparation, legality, processes, approaches and event styles are all based on the country in which an event or activity is held. We know that different cultures prefer different types of venues, their norm is their own local food, their graphics have a certain look and feel to them, and they have special customs we need to be aware of. This is why all of our project teams have locals Hive community members among them, even if the organizer is not local (some areas simply don't have enough available community members).
When we started Hive promotional activities, even pre-VP, we didn't know what to expect as no mainstream experience could prepare any of us for the realities of advertising a decentralized blockchain and crypto without any central team or organization. Small things that we used to take for granted, such as having a mailing address, were no longer within the realm of possibility. This made simple tasks far more complex than they normally would be. We faced barriers at every turn: no founder, no doxxed team, no credit card, not even a phone number.
Now we know what works, what struggles and what simply fails. We can project of a conference potential for success simply by looking at its pitch deck. We no longer accept partnerships with no concrete plans for integration or utility. We know how much merchandise is supposed to cost in any specific country and what type of thing to give out where. When we evaluate whether an activity can meet its targets and showcase Hive we are using our knowledge built on past events and market research.
Some of you may have noticed that over the summer we have pivoted towards digital promotions vs physical ones. We have also focused more on what we refer to as "B2B", which is technically "business to blockchain" aka the use of HBD in sales transactions. VP is designed in such a way as to naturally change direction as necessary in order to respond to market shifts and emerging opportunities.
We are also approaching a maturity that allows for a comprehensive review. The general plan for the last quarter of 2024 and the first quarter of 2025 is to focus on reviewing our approaches and successes. We are in the process of thoroughly reassessing our strategy concerning several ongoing projects, with the aim of optimizing our approach. As part of this re-evaluation, we are actively exploring new opportunities that may add significant value to our operations, ensuring that we capitalize on them better in the future.
Proposal
This proposal is for 200,000 HBD which is slotted not only for Q4 but also will, as we intend to close off the year and pre-plan for 2025 deliverables earlier, will eliminate the need for a Q1 2025 Bridge.
https://peakd.com/proposals/323
We thank you for your interest and consideration,
~ The Value Plan Team
Any evaluation of the impact of all the money burnt? How many new users? How many impressions, clicks or whatever? Nothing?
A few things ill be pushing for in Q4 at least from my side.
I am all for it!
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Fuck I can't believe this dogshit got funded.
Propuesta apoyada 👍 saludos https://hive.blog/hive-137017/@manuphotos/talent-land-el-mejor-evento-de-todo-latam
Here is the challenge: through a bear market, everyone in the audience you want -- "We recognize that Hive is not the right solution for everyone. It is best for individuals who are already financially stable, literate, have an interest in technology, have a business perhaps, and are able to positively contribute to the ecosystem" -- can see that Hive has been dropping for two years. I qualify on all of your points, and because I do, and can read the whole 15-year crypto chart, there is no reason that I would have come in and let Hive take me from $3.47 in November 2021 to 20 cents now if I was not here before that and believed in the platform first. That's greater than a 90 percent loss in value -- so, your target new users were the least likely since 2022 to take that ride all altcoins are on because of the nature of the crypto cycle. Therefore, if your strategy has been working with your target audience through the bear and bringing such people to Hive in significant numbers, and you can present accounting for those results, you deserve $200,000 per quarter to keep doing it, because you are beating the odds on altcoin communities everywhere, and have fostered a 2020-here-from-the-beginning level of belief in new target users!
Now, I also have this data on where crypto is being adopted in the world this year while altcoins are not yet out of the bear: https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/2024-global-crypto-adoption-index/. That should give us a hint as to where people are looking for and implementing crypto solutions, and somewhat reflects even Hive's most active populations. However, a focus on Central Europe runs counter to Chainalysis's data on what countries are leading in crypto adoption. Now, you may have better data -- and if you do, and are beating the odds, present it all. Again: you deserve every bit of that 200,000 HBD for this quarter and the next if your methodology is succeeding, because you are beating the trends. That would give Hive a story that beats everything but Bitcoin -- and maybe even Bitcoin, given that Bitcoin has tripled from its bottom and people might be running in there just on sheer greed! Surely that would not be the case with Hive at this point -- so if you are succeeding on bringing in what you consider your quality audience, don't be shy. The story needs to be known far and wide!
Hey @deeanndmathews thank you for the extra link resource on that regional adoption thingy. It's a little more convincing to me that it's a good move to expand on that region since we're in top 3 and seems like it's a whole lot easier to explain crypto all around now compared to a few years ago 😃
I was hoping it would be helpful, and I have it owing to @reeta0119 doing a post showing that India is number 1 in the world in crypto adoption. Nigeria is no. 2, Indonesia is no. 3, and the United States is no. 4. Ukraine is no. 6, Russia is no. 7, and United Kingdom is no. 12, but other than that, Europe is not where crypto is picking up in the top 20.
My thing is, and I will continue to say it: there are market trends and there are adoption trends, and if I as a crypto investor can find out what they are, so can anyone considering Hive. Now, if we have a marketing plan that is overcoming these trends, we DEFINITELY need to fund it and celebrate it. But sometimes it is easier to work WITH the trends ... $200,000 goes further sometimes that way, so I wanted the data to be out there.
I just remembered -- @mcsamm, did you know that Nigeria is no. 2 in crypto adoption? I cannot say I am an expert in West African affairs, but I'm sure the story of how successful Hive is being in Ghana in changing the lives of so many real people will be of great interest in Nigeria, and since crypto adoption there is already second only to India in the world, Hive should catch on quickly! I don't know what cross-pollination ideas there may be, but I just put it out there for love of my own West African ancestors!
That's true! it's a different ball game considering in the past regulation are still in gray zone and people are wary about investing in. In Indonesia, crypto is heavily regulated and taxed these days with upcoming government support on more adoptions and they even plan on doing some projects around blockchain. Our current vice president is young and wants to catch up with any tech innovations. While I don't necessarily agree with any of those regulations and taxation, I guess, we can scratch all that and just focus on adoption!
But we are having the same problems in No. 4 and No. 12 -- the United States and the United Kingdom have crazy regulations, crazy taxes, and are threatening more! The difference is, though, is Indonesia is hungry for better. So are the people of India and Nigeria and Vietnam, and certainly Ukraine (and even Russia too, at no. 8) -- life is not so comfortable that people can take fiat for granted. The USD and GBP are comfortable if one has access ... I can't get people to look at anything that is now hanging around 20 cents or 15ish of whatever goes for pennies in a pound here unless they really see the vision, and I imagine it might be similar in the Euro Zone unless people are hungry for better. It will not be the most financially stable -- WE ARE COMFORTABLE AND NEED NOT TAKE A RISK -- it will be those who are hungry for better and know fiat can fail them. We already see that on Hive -- what @hivesucre is doing is amazing in Venezuela, but Venezuelans don't need as much convincing -- they know Hive is BETTER in so many ways!
This is why I am saying, maybe we should focus on what the trends are telling us ... even on Hive, we already see who and what are into this. We now have a top 20 list for the world from one of the world's finest collectors of data on crypto!
I agree with your main premise and this is not an argument against it but I have to ask ... do we have crazy regulation and crazy taxes in the UK?
The regulation that exists concerns centralised blockchain cryptocurrencies set up in the UK which have to register with the Financial Conduct Authority. I'm not opposed to that because it will go some way to stemming fraudsters and may even control the banks and financial instituations although I'm not holding my breath. In any event, it appears our regulation is far less draconian than the European Union's MICA regulations - possibly the only benefit of Brexit that I am aware of (and I take your argument about the reality of focusing on Europe - a relatively affluent declining part of the globe).
With regard to taxation, we have guidance only. Any attempts to get clarity from HMRC result in a referral to the guidance that you were seeking clarity about. If that's crazy I agree, but there's a lot of room for flexibility and negotiation.
I was pleasantly surprised at the workshops I ran in the summer at the increased awareness of and experience with cryptos. Sadly, some was through a fairly common scam, but lots of women had awareness and knowledge and were holding small amounts of crypto. Most of them about £100, which is the most frequent amount of holdings among crypto holders.
I know this is all moot as the UK is not going roar ahead with adoption 😁 I thought about tagging you in this other conversation because of some of the discussions you and I have had about developing a plural income for writers - would love to have your thoughts there, too.
Well, the UK is 12th in the top 20 though ... not roaring ahead, but holding the standard for Western Europe (the irony, of course, is Brexit)!
I did not know about the flexibility and negotiation ... to me it is a crazy situation not to have anything set in stone because people can tell you whatever they want about what you owe ... but if we are talking an average of £100, that's not so hard to work with. I have heard that there are limits to how much of one's portfolio the UK will let its citizens hold in crypto -- that was on the regulation side that I was thinking of.
Here, every swap of a crypto -- not a sale, no USD yet generated -- is taxed like a sale, so you have to sell your stuff in the long run to pay all those taxes! We are also considering unrealized capital gains taxes, so the level of crazy is much higher here! Meanwhile the government has being going after and shutting down exchanges and platforms on what they now admit is a big oopsie ... "oh, we regret calling crypto a security after lying and running folks out of business on false claims." We are in place no. 4 -- so, admittedly, eight steps ahead of the UK on sheer insanity, too!
I have put myself in the loop with you and Macchiata, so, let's see where all this goes! I think that there must be good possible if three women from the third, fourth, and twelfth best places for crypto adoption in the world put their heads together on how to support writers and Hive at the same time with good data and good experience!
Great points. We've been ramping up India engagements over the year and it remains a key focus.
And I do see that reflected on Hive as well over the past year ... I would love to see more data from @valueplan ... I notice that in 2023 there was a half-year report, but I could not find one for this year.
Let me put this to you this way. Your proposal is quite clear on what you consider a quality audience. "We recognize that Hive is not the right solution for everyone. It is best for individuals who are already financially stable, literate, have an interest in technology, have a business perhaps, and are able to positively contribute to the ecosystem." I am asking for the information that people in that audience are going to ask for, because I am that person, living in the fourth-most important country in the world for crypto adoption. I would like to see the half-year report for 2024, and I would like to see what was done with the 300,000 HBD done in Q3, which ends on the 30th. Now I can add just a little, so I know that if Valueplan's ask rate has been just about the same all year, that would give Valueplan a run rate of about 1,000,000 HBD a year. And in fact, since the proposal received a notice from HiveBuzz that Valueplan has just made its 21st post ("You made more than 20 posts!"), it was not hard for me to then go back and look at the previous 20 posts and add some things up.
Q1 Proposal: 300,000 HBD, in addition to 50,000 HBD as a bridge from the previous year
Q2 Proposal: 300,000 HBD
Q3 Proposal: 300,000 HBD
Q3-Q4 Bridge: 150,000 HBD
Q4 Proposal: 200,000 HBD, with Q1 2025 bridge funding included
So, provided that my reading and adding is right, that's 1,050,000 HBD through Q3, with the total for the year proposed to the community at 1,250,000 HBD. That represents a bit more than double of the 2023 ask, which my math says was about 600,000 HBD.
Now, in reading through those 20 posts, and comparing it to Chainalysis data, I see a good deal of that money spent without firm acknowledgment that Central and Southern Europe simply are not in the lead in crypto adoption, and of course the bear market of the last two years may have something to do with that. That may change in 2025 ... but there is still that 1,050,000 HBD that already does not have a half-year report in 2024. That came out in June last year. It is late September of 2024 now. That leaves me to look at the rally car upfront, driving around in regions of the world that the data says may indeed contain your "quality audience," but also are not the most likely to pick up on an altcoin in a bear market. Now I realize there is more to the story than the pictures, and as someone who regularly reads financial statements, I am intimately aware of that ... but that half-year report would have really helped.
Now, as I have said, if you have data showing that Hive is succeeding against those trends because of Valueplan, I would love to see it, and frankly, Chainalysis needs to feature Hive as its beating the odds story of the year if it is indeed the case -- we would be getting regions of the world that are clearly lagging in crypto adoption engaged in adopting Hive, AND we are doing things all over the world that whole governments cannot do in actually changing human lives through the power of this blockchain. Given the amount of community investment from Hive, through the bear, in Valueplan, and given what high DHF spending is doing to Hive inflation according to those Hive stats provided by @dalz (the key sentence in his post here is "So DHF payouts are the main way how HBD is entering circulation these days," and since HBD is not listed on exchanges, that of course has to be converted to Hive and drives inflation if it is being used for payouts around the world) I would be overjoyed to see that. I am a professional journalist by training, and I'm telling you: THAT'S THE STORY. I was an editor, actually, and that would have been front-page news in a crypto publication all day. That kind of story of success would also be worth every thousandth of the 1,050,000 HBD that Valueplan has received this year (I assume all previous proposals passed) and every thousandth of the 200,000 HBD being asked for now.
"Proposal owners may pay themselves and others and may collect any profits their venture makes"
Not even a breakdown of what the money is for, just a casual we're asking for another $200k.
Comedy gold
That's literally what they don't do, though. Way to make it easy to refute an out-of-context comment like this.
That's not related to VP. DHF proposal owners can do that, VP doesn't have proposal owners and cannot do that even if it did. VP has no ventures and no one can generate or collect any profits.
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I can understand the need for these types of things but 200k? And that’s just for a quarter? Holy shit that’s beyond excessive. Are we getting expense receipts for that kind of cash? Because if not that’s pretty hilarious and embarrassing.
I’m all for marketing, conferences and stuff. But I thought Justine was crazy when she was asking for a fraction of this. This post barely explains where the money is intending to go. Please provide better evidence of what it’s going to do.
Example: conference 1 - 5k for a booth and projector mini theatre
Water wells - 2k per well.
Just the basics here guys..
Justine at least had a grip on PR and was prepared to become "The face of Hive," even if it was for money. What Hive needs a lot of PR to put it in front of everyone, to have good relations with crypto news outlets, good relations with exchanges and so forth.
People tend to follow things that are newsmakers.
Anyone remember how Amanda Johnson put DASH on the map 8-10 years ago?
That's for sure, relations are important with these groups.
Denmark if you haven't already make sure to vote for the return proposal! That's how we can push back on stuff like this from being implemented.
At least Justine was a one time payment.
Yeah I haven't paid much attention to VP and their asks but I've heard it's very regularly.
Trump if you're not, support the return proposal!! I think this is the best way we can make sure crap like this doesn't get passed.
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Please. Just a simple clue where $200,000 is budgeted to go over three months.
I understand about receipts for expenses not arriving in the same quarter and the challenges of reconciling budgets and expenses, but this is a future budget, presumably to fund a plan that's in place for the next three months ...
@shanibeer please vote for the return proposal as a defense against this crap! We need to get that a lot higher to ward off foolish proposals like this.
I understand. The problem that I have with that is that perfectly good proposals which may not have the same access to voters with high stake are pushed out of funding. There is a more general problem with the DHF that funding is insecure - depending on votes on the proposal itself and the return proposal, funding could be in place one day and gone the next. Difficult if you want engage a company to do marketing, for example.
There's a strategic planning post slated to come out soon, that's why it wasn't really outlined here.
In very brief: it'll go to paying off HF, the upcoming rally, logistics for the Amsterdam conference (sponsorship was already paid last Q), a few smaller events, India tech/hackathon program (there's a whole thread of comments outlining India as the prime adoption market), digital promotions including Vibes. B2B is currently piloting a few new approaches so those expenses are projected to be very low. Everything else is waiting on either strategy/whitepapers and can't go anywhere until that's complete.
Thank you for letting me know.
Ok this helps even more but to my other comment - these plans need to be put out there WITH the request for money, and it seems you’re only doing this because people are rightfully throwing a fit at this poorly crafted proposal.
I am appalled at the numbers I’ve seen above, 1 million HBD already and what the fuck do we have to show for it besides being pushed further downward?
These funds are going to be mostly going to digital promotions and conferences that we know are going to be attended because we did well in them earlier this year. The old car is in the process of being sold so that'll offset rally costs. We had one rally planned ahead for the year and that's it. It's in general estimated to all come in under 200k going forward but HF costs are still outstanding, that's why it's higher like this.
Justine's proposal was for her salary for helping with the early listings, not for marketing. Not a good comparison.
Ok thanks for this response but it still doesn’t account for specifically where the money is going.
How did you come up with an ungodly amount like 200k? What is the cost breakdown for each event? That is basic information that is simply not provided.
I want marketing and things to succeed but it seems there’s some arrogance here because you’ve got blocktrades, the largest whales support, the information is sparse at best and you’re just hoping to squeeze in with others.
Please provide a much better plan for funding!
Ouf, for a moment I got scared we might see a reversal to the downwards trend. Good to see value plan coming to the rescue
Sponsoring a Gas powered Rally Car with public funds?
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Proposal 323 voted
I think it is only fair for the community to ask for a more detailed audit as to where the money has been spent. Until that happens, It doesn't feel right to vote for this proposal.
Maybe, an independent auditor could be appointed and a DHF proposal raised to fund their services.
Can we spend some amount to advertise hive on social media for India Users ?
In short: No explanations, no invoices. They just asked for more money, if you like it good for you, if you don't like it, then fuck off.... Now we are “stupid and don't know what it's all about”, so they explain it to us in a comparative chart. They “don't sponsor”, but they do spend a lot of money on uniforms, supplements and per diems that never arrive because they decide to give it to unscrupulous thieves whom they call “collaborators”. It all ends up in a Binance wallet, and there is nothing you can do to change it. But... I see with pleasure in the comments that, everyone already doesn't give a shit. Eventually, Hive will go to shit, because of shit like this.
Well done @guiltyparties !!!
Utter and complete insanity! Has the 1,1 million HBD you already received brought any return to this blockchain. Any numbers on that? Nope, nothing, you just want another blank cheque for another 200k HBD. Without a plan, without return prospectives…
In my opinion, this a form of theft from the Hive community. Madness!
2024 Q1= 300000 HBD +50000 HBD
2024 Q2 = 300000 HBD
2024 Q3 = 300000 HBD
2024 Q3 Bridge 150000 HBD
2024 Q4 = 200000 HBD
Total = 1300000 HBD or 6477220 HIVE
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Your statement above:
while highlighting the photo with the elders of that Community during the recent interaction by the representatives of that borehole project is abhorrent.
I wonder whether the elders of that Community would have been smiling or receptive if the project representatives informed them beforehand that they are NOT part of Hive's quality audience desired to be a part of the blockchain; that Hive is only using them for marketing purposes; and, as you say, don't give a damn about improving their lives in that location?
This is a challenge ... @guiltyparties, I would like you to speak to this ... while it is wonderful that Valueplan supports LIFE ITSELF in Ghana and Venezuela, it is disconcerting but hard to avoid the conclusion that @valueplan is seeking the European market while using the Global South for promotional purposes only, because
I noticed in this proposal and have read all 21 posts ... that rally car and beautiful blond women up front, and darker-skinned people further down. A picture is worth a thousand words ... the placement of pictures, once that becomes a pattern, reveals priorities, and we actually can double-check this by the proposal itself:
We also can get this perception by looking at Valueplan's 2023 half-year report, in the absence of this year's report: https://peakd.com/valueplan/@valueplan/value-plan-half-year-review. The math there is simple. Under Transactions, current to June 20, 2023, one only needs to add up what was spent on the rally car versus any other category, and understand that fast cars and blondes are a higher priority than anything else. For just one example: Hivefest Mexico cost 32,800 HBD. The first tranche -- just the first tranche -- of money for that car, and its activities in Europe, cost 31,774.220 HBD. There are five such tranches totaling around 86,000 HBD, and that's just to the half-year, massively dwarfing investment in Hivefest, boreholes, and Hive Sucre. Now no less a Person than Jesus Christ said this:
This is generally true of projects also, and suggests that Valueplan does not assign the highest value to the hardest-working people that work with it, who have been deprived of fiat means of solving their problems through no fault of their own, but found hope in Hive -- this suggests those who run Valueplan do not see them as quality although those people have kept Hive noticeable and at the forefront of crypto adoption through this long bear. Now, this could be a misconception ... but it needs clearing up. The presence of a 2024 half-year report with better balanced priorities would have helped, but we can only work with the 21 posts available to work out what Valueplan values the most.
Meanwhile, the Chainalysis data for 2024 says that the priorities should be exactly reversed: the Global East and South of the world should be first, and Europe, because of its unwillingness to adopt in general (Ukraine, Russia, and the UK being the exceptions in the top 20) should be last. Again, I post the global data for 2024. https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/2024-global-crypto-adoption-index/ I also have gently invited @valueplan to share information that what it is doing is bucking the trends in Europe and spurring adoption. That is still not forthcoming. The fact is noted.
So, here we have a challenge ... the appearance, at least, that Valueplan has spent the bulk of the community money prioritizing Europeans who are not interested in crypto right now, while openly proposing that Africans and Latin Americans and who are making Hive shine are not the quality audience, because AGAIN, this is who your proposal says Hive is best for:
Actual data on who is making of the most of Hive, through this bear, also defies that statement. Chainalysis data across crypto likewise defies that. The true quality audiences for crypto are where people are moving toward the things we Europeans and North Americans too often take for granted. We see that on Hive. We see that across crypto. India, Nigeria, Indonesia, Venezuela, Brazil, the Philippines, Vietnam ... leaders in crypto in the world, and also notably here on Hive.
By the way, need I say why those countries are poorer while Europe is richer, and why more financially stable individuals therefore live in Europe? I trust that I need not, since we expect that Valueplan is headed up by highly literate individuals aware of the past 500 years of history, and we expect that, confronted with actual data on where crypto is being adopted, Valueplan understands where it should be spending Hive's money in 2025. Most of Europe is comfortable enough not to be interested. We see that on Hive. We see that in the Chainalysis data. The quality individuals when it comes to crypto adoption, 2.5 billion potential crypto users being accounted for in the top three nations alone, are primarily outside of Europe. That's not "critical race theory." That's just what the data says ... and at a $1,250,000 a year run rate, we expect that Valueplan can and will work with the best data available to promote Hive.
It's very unfortunate and frustrating that this theft of HBD and complete lack of transparency goes on unabated. I would love to downvote a proposal, not that it would do much here..
As I understand the system, the only current way to downvote is to vote for the Return Proposal thereby forcing the proponents to unveil a reasonable, justifiable, and sustainable use plan for their request.
We only have one vote for one voice, but collectively, it can do much as a deterrent.
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I am ready to attend the conference and I would be glad to take part and support the Hive community at large. I can be contacted on Discord: abu78, thanks
Why don't I see this when I look at the proposals? When I hit the link above, it shows me this post, but when I look at the list of all proposals, it isn't there.