Please stop spreading misinformation , i support people choosing whether or not their children or themselves will take a vaccine or treatment , but saying their injuries were produced by vaccines stretches credulity , its most likely not true
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Do you know how many hours research on this topic I have done? Hundreds. Close to 1000 now. I am sure @canadian-coconut has spent an equal or greater amount of time researching and informing the misinformed.
The misinformation is spread by governments and big money interests. Not by concerned people like @canadian-coconut . She is giving valuable information out. Follow where it leads.
Research can not be measured in hours , but in the quality of the hard data and facts it produces
Hard data and facts agree vaccination can be harmful in extremely rare cases. Anti-vaxxers would likely argue against the exact definition of "extremely rare". Only the uninformed defend vaccines as universally good. The scientific consensus is that the benefits for the population as a whole far outweigh the negatives for individual cases.
Vaccinating everyone protects people with weak immune systems, and vaccination has managed to eradicate certain diseases in the first world. Some of these diseases are making a comeback due to increasing immigration from unvaccinated populations as well as homegrown anti-vaxxers movement.
On the flipside, most vaccines come with a ~20% chance to cause local pain (and we are increasingly learning pain in the formative years can have long-term consequences), and a ~5% chance to cause a fever. Sometimes the consequences can be more dreadful: the MMR vaccine is estimated to have a one in a million chance of causing body encephalitis, which has a very high death rate.
It's a cold calculation. Vaccination kills less people than no vaccination, but it does kill people who might live otherwise. This makes sense both at the population scale and even as a parent, but statistics mean nothing on the individual level when your kid is the unlucky one.
Being a vaccine damaged individual, I can say that any attempt to force vaccination should be met with resistance by any and all means possible, with no cost being too great. Forced medical procedures are an act of war on the individual, and a war crime under the Nuremberg code. To raze human civilization to the ground and set it's dust ablaze is not too great a price to pay for liberty.
Liberty for all, or liberty for none.
No one is forcing people to vaccinate , but people should just accept the fact that in some settings it will be asked for , since you can not put others at a risk of contracting a disease just to uphold your beliefs
Also there is the issue of thinks like herd immunity only working when a treshold % of the populations is vaccinated
Now I am certain that you don't know what you are talking about.
Go tell the people in California that there is no such thing as mandatory vaccinations. If you want anyone to take you seriously in this debate, you really should inform yourself.
Herd immunity is a farce. Measles has even recently been documented to spread among fully vaccinated populations.
No one is endangering anyone by not being vaccinated. The only people who are endangered are the people BEING vaccinated. If another person's ignorance endangers me, I will defend myself by all means possible with no consideration whatsoever of the cost to the person endangering me.
Im with you on that ,I agree with people electing whether their want their children or themselves to be vaccinated , or considering vaccines as a probable reason they were harmed and seeking compensation against them , making vaccines even safer
What i can not stand for is people claiming vacines are harmful or not benefical based on handful of cases where their use lead to harm , and ignoring the body of science and research that shows their benefit outweigh the risk and they are a tool to manage diseases spread
Im even more annoyed by the people spreading misinformation and conspiration theories regarding pharmaceutical companies , btut im no even mentioning those on my comment
Probably because you couldn't spell them.
Vaccinations harm people. Personal incredulity is one of the most common logical fallacies. Appeal to probability is also one of the formal fallacies. Please stop spreading misinformation. Reason is our guide not fallacy. Knowledge and use of reason is available to all. Fallacy is error or even deception.
There are superior technologies that do not suffer from the problems by which vaccination is plagued. Please do inform yourself.
To be more precise , Vaccinations harm somepeople. That is not a secret , every single potential treatment or medical procedure comes with potential side effects , But so far people opposing vaccines have failed to provide conclusive proof that their risk outweigh benefits , and/or there is a comparable way of stopping spread of infectious diseases .
Of course if there are superior technologies , they should be developed and adopted , but in the mean time this is the best we have
Everyone is harmed by this system.. Time are changing though more people are learning about this.
Thank-you James. Yes, I believe that every vaccine brings some level of harm. People are starting to realize this more and more, especially as the number of vaccines on the schedule keeps drastically increasing.
Would you mind elaborating what the system would be , and why would it need to be changed , seeing as vaccines do protect vast populations from diseases
That is a deep rabbit hole. Your probably detecting this by the tone in this post already - lol..
I think the easiest way is to understand it from a marketing point of view. Vaccine companies sell fear which sells vaccines. Then you probably recall how laws and politicians are influenced by kickbacks. You probably have an idea what I'm talking about.
So just put those together:
Realizing a harsh reality is actually very good. Don't think that facing something bad is the same as creating it in the first place. It is not, facing it is the way to change it.
Keep doing research and really question anything centralized and large (corporation, gov, etc). You may need to walk away from this and that is fine. But I recommend you hurry, we can see a real improvement in our health, economy, and environment the more people become aware of these things.
That is what makes them a good weapon..
If vaccinations are mandatory the onus is on the provider to prove they are 100% safe, or self defense comes into play. This is not even to mention that medical procedures that do not involve informed consent are to be considered war crime under international convention, in the form of the Nuremberg code.
Mandatory vaccination is an act of war against the biology of the individual.
The public's ignorance of other technologies is not my problem. If anyone tries to force vaccinate me under the fallacy of 'this is the best we have' then I declare eternal total war against them and everything they stand for. I have already spent over three decades trying to overcome a vaccine injury, and will not allow it ever again no matter what the cost to humanity.
Amen! An offense against all that is good and right. Coercion and compulsion are fundamentally evil.
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Thanks for the support. Sometimes, even though I know why I think what I do and would change nothing without better evidence and knowledge, I do feel like I'm out here on the fringes of self knowledge and realization, and it is good to know that I have not totally missed the mark.
Sometimes being dedicated to what is right is a lonely place plagued with doubt, but the doubt is more like too many mosquitoes, and not actual adversaries.
"And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock." Matt. 7:25
"My ally is the Force" Yoda
I think I may have all to good an understanding of those lonely feelings... Out on the fringes, indeed... ;)
Hang in there! :D
Thank you, to you as well.
Probability of harm is a also a core part of determining wheter something is worth the risk
I have determined that it is not worth the risk to me. That is all that is required.