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RE: Clarification of my stance on vaccines, and why mandatory vaccination is definitely an issue pertinent to Anarcho-Capitalism/Voluntaryism. PLUS: OPEN INVITATION TO FORMAL DEBATE.

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There are likely chance side effects of vaccines, but the benefits far outweigh the down sides.

How can I possibly know that the benefits outweigh the downsides when the tens of hundreds of claims submitted to the VAERS database, the stories of countless parents, and peer-reviewed, published scientific studies suggesting further research are promptly and summarily ignored by the medical community?

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In the rare case of "vaccine injury", which I still don't blame the vaccine itself for, I would MUCH rather have a child be injured by a preventative treatment than to die from something that could have been treated.

Again, how can you do an accurate risk/benefit analysis with data that is ignored?

Are tons of children dying from vaccines? Because tons of children are dying from preventable diseases like measles...

Yes, TONS of children are dying from vaccines. It is usually called SIDS.

The medical community for the most part is not acknowledging it.
But sometimes they do acknowledge it to the parents, and even file vaccine adverse reaction reports, yet the media and medical world will never talk about those events. They just keep assuring us that a vaccine reaction is one in a million, when that CLEARLY is not the case.

I have a good friend who had her first vaccine at age 5, and immediately stopped breathing and had to be resuscitated and hospitalized for 5 months while they tried to save her life. Her doctors fully acknowledge that it was the vaccine.

And I have several other friends whose children have had terrible reactions to vaccines.

Look at my blog here on Steemit to hear many, many more stories of vaccine injury.

I still believe those stories are rare in the grand scheme. Every one of my friends and family have been vaccinated, all my friends' children are vaccinated, save a couple people, every single person I know has been vaccinated. For some reason though, of all those hundreds or maybe thousands of shots, I'd never even heard of vaccine injury until social media became a thing. Now, maybe vaccine injury is just rare in my area, but I doubt that.

SIDS doesn't exist btw. It never did. It's a catch-all term when a doctor can't pinpoint what caused the death. If a child dies from a vaccine, it's not SIDS.

10% maybe of adults is up to date on their vaccines. I have only had the dtap after getting cut at work once since grade 10. Vaccines do not work forever. I never get sick. So saying one wass vaccinated as a child means nothing now as an adult if one does not get periodic boosters, which then make you an infectious carrier again. In some places even pregnant woman are vaccinated WTF! The schedule for children now is criminal. They even want to give infants vaccines that are defending against sexual transmitted diseases, again WTF. Most 'outbreaks' are in areas where a vaccine push has just happened. No actual study has been done to show vaccine safety or effectiveness. You never heard of vaccine injury before because the companies that make them are NOT allowed to be filed against or sued. Also you have heard of it, as autoimmune diseases, diseases related to digestion, neurological damage in many forms. The lists go on. To properly understand what is happening here, one must understand birth and early childhood development. When one grasps that importance properly, they would never consider vaccinating a child to be a good thing. Once they are 3 go for it if it makes a person feel good. Before then, it sets a child up for so many problems with health. And who gets paid for a sick kid. The same fucking people who male the vaccines.

You guys can all get as aggressive as you'd like. Vaccines save lives. The proof is in the pudding. There is a reason no one in America gets polio anymore. It's called herd immunity. Just because you don't "get sick" doesn't mean you can't carry a potentially fatal virus and pass it to someone else. I'm done arguing this point today. At least I know my children will never die from a disease we can easily prevent.

You make a lot of great points:

No actual study has been done to show vaccine safety or effectiveness.

it sets a child up for so many problems with health. And who gets paid for a sick kid. The same fucking people who male the vaccines. :)

I still believe those stories are rare in the grand scheme.

Belief is the problem. Thinking and knowing is the aim.

Because tons of children are dying from preventable diseases like measles…

Bullshit. People used to have their kids play together if the measles started going around so their kids could get it over with. You don't do that with a deadly disease.

A 1962 issue of Parents’ Magazine & Better Homemaking stated that, “Measles has always been accepted as part of the growing-up process, as much a part of childhood as stubbed toes and dirty hands.” In fact, some parents even organized measles parties. According to a 1960 article in the Los Angeles Times entitled “‘Measles Parties’ Put Spots on Tots,” this was a growing trend in Canada, where parents wanted their children to come down with the disease before adulthood. quoted from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-d-moreno/will-measles-parties-retu_b_14479732.html

They don't want people having measles parties again because it would expose the lie that measles is deadly.

"tons" of people are dying from measles? Stats or it's a lie.

~ from a measles survivor from the measles party era

This is a false dichotomy.