but can't people do what they want with their own money?
There are whales who as i was made to understand by a steemitcleaner witness member who upvote their own posts and comments with over 10 different accounts they also own with full power.
He said the reason it is not a violation is that they are doing whatever they want with their own investments. one of the member has hundreds of thousands in SP in each account and if he downvotes or flags you with all his account you will be crashed right away and the post hidden.
In short i am saying if it is allowed for the whales to self vote each comment 10 times, what is wrong with a minnow upvoting his comment or the OP appreciating the first comment from her?
Too many of us are just salty about what others choose to do with their own investments lol @steemmatt here is a link to a comment thread where a steemitcleaner upvoted a comment with just "lol hilarious" with his full power. Then the op had also upvoted himself too.
I gotcha. I appreciate your view and know what you mean. This person here may be a minnow, but they rented 17,000 SP and were doing this a few times today. The comments are similar to the "lol" level. It's more of good manners vs abuse from my view in this case. Anyone can vote on whatever, but writing one liners to just self-upvote, while not rewarding the post they're using to do so, makes me roll my eyes and feel inclined to say something.
If I do not get "hidden" comments on my posts now, I get the self upvoted ones. This is a new feature in the last couple of months and very discouraging. Especially when the person does not upvote the post or upvotes it for -0-.
@fitinfun Enjoy with your expression and dont expect others to provide you benefit. i will keep following your post and upvoting . let us encourage each other
does anyone know where i can find info on how much $ your steem power translates into? for instance, if someone has 10,000 sp and they upvote, how much $ would that blog receive?
First of all...what a nice ICO...it changes the world of traveling tourism and advertisement...
secondly, I do really believe that such a system (Steemit) should do some changes in its incentive based economy to prevent whales or above minnows, do self-feeding instead of really contributing with this society and supporting good contents...
there are some possible methods to do so..but right now ...what I see..is not that healthy..many accounts are fake and are just for self upvote...
that's not what we registered for...
Of course, you've got every right to do with your investment as you would.
But, the point is, this is Social Media. Not a business platform. The money that you earn here is not yours. It originates from the Rewards Pool which is currently owned by Steemit Inc. but is actually a part of the people since it has been created by the collective effort of all users on the platform.
It may be their money but is surely not their investment. What you're getting out of the system is not returns on your investment, but rather rewards from the community based on how people appreciate your words. Self-upvoting is a method of cheating around that system by looking to drain the rewards pool, which includes taking rewards for others for your own personal gain. STEEM isn't being grown on trees here. There is a limited amount of it remaining on the platform, and the only way to replenish it is to interact more and bring in new people to the platform.
The rewards pool is there because of the people. The rewards pool is there for the people. The rewards are gained by those who are worthy of it as deemed by all on Steemit. The rewards pool is not for people looking to make money and treating this platform as an investment.
"Self-upvoting one liner comments 100% without anything for the author is not the future.
It might not be polite , but imo is def the future! I want the mass to buy steem and upvote their selfs. So that they actually are able to make some money out of their investment. What's wrong with that? Let them get a piece of the pie.
"Self-upvoting one liner comments 100% without anything for the author is not the future.
Who decides that? Is that in the whitepaper? I agree is not really polite. But shit happens.
I feel we should not scare those (potential) investors away.
Thanks for your thoughts. It's not in the white paper, but I feel that Steemit will probably do better in the long run if it's a give and take scenario, not promoted to be a sponge to justly squeeze ROI from. To each their own of course, but Steemit and Steem price appreciation probably will be aided more by sharing the wealth so authors and curators keep promoting the site with content and word of mouth. Earning rewards is part of the selling point and what drives growth best (for example upvoting your comment). Getting deep here, but Steemit is supposed to be a community. I personally prefer not to have those type of investors you mention.
I think i see your point. And a lot of folks think like that. IMO its def not realistic. Do you expect that the mass is sincere and a decent writer? What if you invested a few thousand and nobody votes back? Are they not welcome here? ( i think they are more then welcome) What would you expect them to do? They would be morons not to vote for them self. Self voting can be a last resort to protect your investment.
lol call them out - 17k SP delegated to this account too
but can't people do what they want with their own money?
There are whales who as i was made to understand by a steemitcleaner witness member who upvote their own posts and comments with over 10 different accounts they also own with full power.
He said the reason it is not a violation is that they are doing whatever they want with their own investments. one of the member has hundreds of thousands in SP in each account and if he downvotes or flags you with all his account you will be crashed right away and the post hidden.
In short i am saying if it is allowed for the whales to self vote each comment 10 times, what is wrong with a minnow upvoting his comment or the OP appreciating the first comment from her?
Too many of us are just salty about what others choose to do with their own investments lol
@steemmatt here is a link to a comment thread where a steemitcleaner upvoted a comment with just "lol hilarious" with his full power. Then the op had also upvoted himself too.
Guiltparty reply to why he gave an upvote on a "LOL" account when he also discourages mamebers from behaving like this
I gotcha. I appreciate your view and know what you mean. This person here may be a minnow, but they rented 17,000 SP and were doing this a few times today. The comments are similar to the "lol" level. It's more of good manners vs abuse from my view in this case. Anyone can vote on whatever, but writing one liners to just self-upvote, while not rewarding the post they're using to do so, makes me roll my eyes and feel inclined to say something.
If I do not get "hidden" comments on my posts now, I get the self upvoted ones. This is a new feature in the last couple of months and very discouraging. Especially when the person does not upvote the post or upvotes it for -0-.
@fitinfun Enjoy with your expression and dont expect others to provide you benefit. i will keep following your post and upvoting . let us encourage each other
does anyone know where i can find info on how much $ your steem power translates into? for instance, if someone has 10,000 sp and they upvote, how much $ would that blog receive?
First of all...what a nice ICO...it changes the world of traveling tourism and advertisement...
secondly, I do really believe that such a system (Steemit) should do some changes in its incentive based economy to prevent whales or above minnows, do self-feeding instead of really contributing with this society and supporting good contents...
there are some possible methods to do so..but right now ...what I see..is not that healthy..many accounts are fake and are just for self upvote...
that's not what we registered for...
Of course, you've got every right to do with your investment as you would.
But, the point is, this is Social Media. Not a business platform. The money that you earn here is not yours. It originates from the Rewards Pool which is currently owned by Steemit Inc. but is actually a part of the people since it has been created by the collective effort of all users on the platform.
It may be their money but is surely not their investment. What you're getting out of the system is not returns on your investment, but rather rewards from the community based on how people appreciate your words. Self-upvoting is a method of cheating around that system by looking to drain the rewards pool, which includes taking rewards for others for your own personal gain. STEEM isn't being grown on trees here. There is a limited amount of it remaining on the platform, and the only way to replenish it is to interact more and bring in new people to the platform.
The rewards pool is there because of the people. The rewards pool is there for the people. The rewards are gained by those who are worthy of it as deemed by all on Steemit. The rewards pool is not for people looking to make money and treating this platform as an investment.
@steemmatt
It might not be polite , but imo is def the future! I want the mass to buy steem and upvote their selfs. So that they actually are able to make some money out of their investment. What's wrong with that? Let them get a piece of the pie.
Who decides that? Is that in the whitepaper? I agree is not really polite. But shit happens.
I feel we should not scare those (potential) investors away.
Peace
Thanks for your thoughts. It's not in the white paper, but I feel that Steemit will probably do better in the long run if it's a give and take scenario, not promoted to be a sponge to justly squeeze ROI from. To each their own of course, but Steemit and Steem price appreciation probably will be aided more by sharing the wealth so authors and curators keep promoting the site with content and word of mouth. Earning rewards is part of the selling point and what drives growth best (for example upvoting your comment). Getting deep here, but Steemit is supposed to be a community. I personally prefer not to have those type of investors you mention.
Thank you 2.
I think i see your point. And a lot of folks think like that. IMO its def not realistic. Do you expect that the mass is sincere and a decent writer? What if you invested a few thousand and nobody votes back? Are they not welcome here? ( i think they are more then welcome) What would you expect them to do? They would be morons not to vote for them self. Self voting can be a last resort to protect your investment.
Amen
I agree.
;-)
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I like it but I think you are right
sir please please give me some best information how it work steemit
Well... I think it is the future, but not a very sustainable future.
Nice