A bit of my history with trading, prediction market activity on the platform and how to pretend that you are good at trading!

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Do you even trade bro?

In this day and age trading has become a big buzzword, some might have been familiar with it if they were interested in stocks or other commodities while some were forced to do it to be able to trade their fiat into cryptos and vice versa.

First off, as an introduction and back story to my trading history, I am not that active myself at trading currently. I used to sport it for some time a few years ago but it really required you to focus on it at all times if you wanted to be successful at it. It didn't only require you to follow charts, but also rumors, news, developments and anything really that could have an effect on prices short-term. It was a deep rabbit hole of finding out which sources were some of the first ones that gave out information early on potential groundbreaking news that would effect the markets combined with following other traders that had a successful history.

There are a lot of different aspects involved in it, small traders, big traders, manipulators, bots and everything in between. Needless to say if you were in it you had a hard time not being emotional about some trades, even knowing that in the long-term it would only go up and that you might have started out with a small amount it didn't change the "then and there". It took a big strain on your sleep, your patience and some times you even needed a reality check now and then.

I was never involved in bot trading, I either didn't want to trust them with my coins or found the sites and users that sold these to be shady and untrustworthy. Why do they have to sell bots that are successful at trading if they can themselves use them to make endless profits? Although I doubt there are many out there that use these "automatic" bot trading programs I am sure there are some that set up their own with different rules and requirements to take in profits with this volatility and with the price only going up in the long term in mind.

The reason I quit trading is that it wasn't worth it for me, the little gain over the big strain it had on your mentality did not seem like a good trade. I also started looking back more and more and found out that many times if not most of the time I ended up with not that much more profit than if I had just held my coins secure offline from the beginning instead. This is why I started thinking for the long run and was glad I stumbled upon Steem which at the time had a 2 year power down period and it encouraged me to do the same with other currencies that were starting out and seemed like they had the potential to become as big as the mother of all coins: Bitcoin.

Now before I go on to the part about how to pretend you are good at trading I feel like I need to say a few words about Trading Analysis in cryptocurrencies. In my opinion TA's are not completely useless, I have no clue about them in usual stock trading or other commodities, but in a young market such as cryptos and with its volatility day-traders do have a bigger impact on them than anywhere else. The low cost of trades do make it possible to profit from actively trading but there is always going to happen something that no one can predict at some point in time, wheather it being exchanges going down and taking your coins or flash crashes triggering your stop-losses and other fun stuff like that.

Most of my friends look at the volatility and ask me "why do you not trade back and forth on them constantly?". Many seem to fail to understand that for you to profit off of the swings there has to be someone else that has to lose that same amount. In the end its a lot more closer to gambling than anything else and even with the "house edge" advantage being on your side since you know that sooner or later there is no where but up for the currencies you trade with I've come to terms that the safest method to make profit is to do re-search on projects, invest early and keep your coins locked in cold storage (offline). If you don't hold the keys and control of your coins then they are never fully safe, in my opinion. Many seem to forget what happened to Mt. Gox and it is probably only a matter of time until the same thing happens to others, which one it will be and when I cannot say.

I'd rather risk losing my private keys somehow than having someone else lose them for me.


Prediction Markets of trading

With the Steem platform and the blockchain paving the way for transparency I've been hoping to see a lot more prediction markets or posts about future trading here. Its kind of disappointing that there is not much of that going around yet, considering how we can actually vote with stake of our own on market movements and everything will be saved on the blockchain to keep tab on which predictions have been better than others and which traders have shown to successfully predict them.

I think many might be careful with that since they sense that an account having many followers might be trying to "pump and dump" on their readers short-term, but there are ways to secure that from happening as well, especially for long-term trades and investments. Since blockchain addresses are public there is nothing stopping these authors from announcing the wallet addresses they will be holding the currencies they support so the readers can be assured the initial author calling out the buy-in won't use them for his own gain.

Instead we see many traders who say they trade and tell you what you should be buying and selling, yet either most of the time don't provide any proof to back up their predictions or a history of being successful at it themselves in the past. Most of the times the TA's they bring forward are either quite obvious of what has happened and what might happen but predicting short-term movements seems to always be a guess as much as anyone else.

I'm hoping that with the increase in adoption and more and more "professional" traders joining as of late it will raise the activity of these prediction markets and posts on the platform.

This post became a lot longer than I initially expected, apologize to the readers for that.


How to pretend you are good at trading!

  1. Create a bunch of accounts on exchanges
  2. Send a small amount of Bitcoin to all of these
  3. Start trading back and forth on all of them at different times with the same currency you want to brag you are good at trading
  4. When the time comes, you pick the account with the best trade history
  5. You make sure to only include the date & time, the buy/sell and price of the currency only it is important not to give away the amount you trade with else step #1 & 2 become obsolete
  6. You only post about your successful trades, don't worry about the losses, the post rewards about the successful will get them back to you and this is why you only trade with dust amounts
  7. If someone were to ask how you do it, tell them you you've seen a lot of charts in your time and provide them TA's with what has happened before and make sure to place circles on where you traded on that successful account
  8. If someone asks if you ever fail at trading or have lost anything doing it you tell them: "absolutely not"
  9. If they ask for more proof of how much you've profited from your trades and how much weight your TA's really hold, you start arguments and flame those users until they've forgotten how they even got to that point
  10. As a trader and technical analysis expert you have to make sure you are never wrong, during off days and big downtrends you stop trading and focus 100% on pointing fingers and blaming people that should work harder so your currency you trade with doesn't have to suffer, regardless if all crypto markets are in decline

I hope the readers realize the last part is a bit of a joke.

I do believe trading can be quite successful but bear in mind to never start out with more than you can afford to lose and only look at it as "play money" the same way how cryptos are still viewed in most countries to this day. This helps to not get too emotional about your trades and keep a cool head during the tough times. :)

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Hey acidyo,

Trading is risk management. You create an edge by trading high probability setups, with high risk:reward ratios and you MANAGE YOUR RISK accordingly.

TRADING IS NOT GAMBLING.

Traders focus all their attention on their sexy new strategy and overlook the fundamental thing that makes you a good trader: Not blowing up when things go to shit. And they will go to shit eventually. It is how you manage that risk that will determine whether you're a successful trader.

This next section also really caught my eye:

TA's are not completely useless, I have no clue about them in usual stock trading or other commodities, but in a young market such as cryptos and with its volatility day-traders do have a bigger impact on them than anywhere else.

Now I've seen this come up a few times around the crypto community and I'm really not sure I can get my head around it either...

Even in panic stricken markets based on fundamentals (think NFP releases, Brexit, Trump shock etc etc), they still trade in a technical manner. Actually, a good example is the latest Bitcoin drop when markets were overpricing SegWit risk. Zoom into your intraday BTC/USD charts and look at the way that price kept pulling back to intraday support turned resistance and dropped. Markets always follow structure that can give you an edge no matter the market.

It doesn't matter how 'mature' the market is, how panicked the market is or how bullish/bearish the market is. Technical structures play out because of supply/demand.

I encourage you to get back into swing trading (longer term trading the higher time frame charts) with a different mindset :)

Thanks for the great comment, you did kind of make me want to get back to trading a bit. :)

Dooooo itttt!

:)

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So I split my initial portfolio in 3:

  1. Long term holdings. These are coins that I absolutely believe in long term and look to accumulate over time. Any profits achieved via 2 and 3 will be stored in these.
  2. Medium term bets. Here I look to buy a few different coins that I think are currently undervalued and are much more likely to have a significant rise than an equally large fall. Usually coins that I think solve an interesting problem, or can provide a new platform technology to improve the capabilities of a big market (like LBRY for books and vieos, and BAT for marketing).
  3. Liquid funds for day/minute trading to take advantage of short term pumps and dumps. When I started out with cryptos in the bull period starting early June, 100% of my "funds" were allocated here. The goal was simple: Identify the coin that could provide a 5% gain in as little time as possible. Establish a handful of "simple rules" for selecting the right time to buy, so as to maximise the likelihood of achieving that, and then having the discipline to always sell at 5%. The result was a tripling of the initial investment after 25 days.

Looking to get more accustomed to this new world, and increase my shares as much as possible in long term coins like STEEM :)

this is a solid strategy imo

That sounds like a great way of trading while leaving out the "stress" factor!

The great thing about creating and improving simple rules for trading is that it makes it much easier for you to learn their effectiveness. Without it, you too often delude yourself by believing, with hindsight, that you have learned something. (It is always easy to feel clever when you look back and think what you should have done). But when you had simple rules that you followed, you can observe when and how they fail, and make adjustments on that basis.

Anyways, the whole 5% rule I've made is to take advantage of the fact that most people seem to have their eyes and minds so fixated on spotting the next top, that they fail to take advantage of all the short-term gains that lie right in front of them :)

You can look at every slack channel, every trading site and all the news around bitcoin but thats about 30 - 40% of it if you cant read Chinese or if you dont have access to the DarkWeb.

Day trading is a madman's game having 1-2 exchanges may be okay but having alot of exchanges all up at the same time and all the charts Trust me ive had 3 moniters and 6 exchanges up at the same time and it was mental trying to get trads in at the right time.

What is would do is buy and hold currencies that YOU BELIVE IN, do some research, you dont have to read the white paper on it just look yup some people on youtube that seem trust worthy, one person is use all the time is @boxmining .

Always put aside money you are willing to lose and never put a cent more. and when you mare your returns, make a the call , do you stay in or leave.

always remember there are those who cashed out bitcoin at 3000 and those at 300 . stay hungry

@awarewolf you truly are aware you just jacked this dude's mojo on his post..)) well said though!

Ok this post is totally for me - I need to learn how to pretend I'm good at trading for sure haha!!!
In crypto that is, because I am trading in the fiat stock market for almost a decade now. Not that it's that different to be honest, just that I'm new in crypto and I feel like I don't do it right.

About 'professional' traders and predictions, the truth is, even the ones with experience can make mistakes.
When I bought stocks of the Bank of Greece (not some stupid branch of a no-name bank, the national bank of the country for God's sakes...) about 7-8 years ago, before the huge crisis strike, the placements at the time were supposed to be 'safe'....guess what, thousands of euros down the drain...so who's to say and 'predict' really? With what grounds?
It reminds me of the seismologists ... (especially now, after the most recent 6,7 in Greece, they're all on TV as usual...) They say this and that, they do research and bla bla bla and point is? That they just can't predict an earthquake. Same goes with stock market experts, and traders, and brokers I think...

The top10 is pretty funny, but I might follow it - well, I thought I knew and I lost, if I pretend I know I might actually win, right? ;) Cheers @acidyo ;)

Hahahah I love this post and that last part was hilarious!!
I dabbled into trading for awhile but I soon realized that it was very complex for me and I personally didn't want to invest all my time into mastering it since I wasn't really passionate about it.

It's crazy because if you go on Instagram, you will literally see hundreds or thousands of profiles with people claiming they are a superstar with trading but all it takes is a few good shots for a person to claim that they are a guru at it! @acidyo

thanks for sharing.

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After trading every day, checking the news, slack channels, coin communities, upcoming tech meetings... you start to feel where the price wave is going to move and begin to understand how the group mentality, this complex monster with a lot of different factors, works. With some more trading experience, you will realise that movements of the graphs are very simple and it will be much easier to get profits.

Yeah, that's true, when you trade your sleep schedule is screwed.

Social media is full of "gurus" who never lose...and when they do lose, they make sure it's the only loss they'll take in life.

As an investment teacher myself, I can't express how much anguish I feel about these people who are clearly making a whole bunch of accounts just to prove something false.

I have a real anti-talent for the game on the stock exchange. If I buy a token, it immediately starts to fall down. But if I sell, the price of the token increases sharply :)

Most of the time that's caused by bots or traders that like to jump from one currency to others often with small profit gains

You should post your investments, brother. Could be a great lead to do the opposite things :)

I don't trade much and its usually just to diversify into something or once in awhile when I "see" something with potential. That does me well because I have a long term outlook on crypto since its still so new.

Good post! the only thing missing was a nice meme at the end to tie it all together :)

Hehe, seems the commenters got me covered on the meme part :D

Your tactic is generally one of the best ones out there for "safer" profits.

Hehe, I have often likened it to gambling.

I quite enjoy it now, I lost stacks when I first started. but I tend to do what you mention and buy something that looks like it has a bit of potential then lock it away off exchange for the long term. Makes me a bit happier than I was before :0)

Definitely, the best thing to do is look at this like a guessing game as opposed to something you can seriously predict. Only use disposable income and have fun with it, staring at charts all day or even once a week trying to predict this crazy market can seriously affect you and cause you to make some rash decisions (which will end up losing you money). At most I check every day to see if there's some huge dip so I can maybe buy into more coins I am interested in, but I don't really think about anything else or get too worried about my current investments.

Yeah, I am bad at checking several times a day. I just can't seem to stop myself. I am fortunate that I have mostly used steem to buy coins. Perhaps I might not have bought soon many of it was fiat lol.

There are some good tips occasionally on here from folk who have really done some good legwork on investigating new coins which had helped me before too

Love the 10 points to look like you know what you're doing - lol :-) I used to day trade and flip IPOs back in the day - the .com bubble era. It was good when you got in, but like you said the stress was rough at times. You have to keep on it 24/7, it tires you out mentally.

These past few months in the crypto space remind me of the stock market after March 2009.

People who got in then and traded in and out made money as stocks went on a massive tear.

They brag about their 400% gain since 2009 after spending the last 8 years stressing about the daily gyrations.

Had they simply bought and held an index fund since March 2009 their portfolio would be up 350+% and not had the stress the other guy had.

HODL!!!

Haha, exactly, guess the markets are still somewhat similar except that here even if you place some funds into the ones that won't be successful, the gains from all others got you pretty much covered over time.

Yeah the gains in this space are still going to dwarf the gains in other sectors. I heard the term "asymmetrical trade" when referencing these cryptos where you can risk a small amount and still have a massive gain

Yep, the volatility and charts we see today will be but a blimp in the charts of the future. :)

And here I am worrying about $50 moves in the BTC price.... :/

Well said !
You missed the MM (market makers) its like the meaning of life in a market ! (lol)

Bot do have their usage but not for profit most likely they help you accumulate small amounts at desired price, with flexing your whole bag you wanna fill . Also they serve very well on flash crashes , but hell no for profit because you really go for 1%-5% and your fees are 0,4%

So from a trader you end up more like a investor, from your SP i don't think you got liquidity problems ^^ so you got a really nice advantange on that, but let me ask you something, you don't miss the trading days ? that you could make 30-40% maybe more (especially last alt seasion) in one day ?

Sure I miss them some times, but I'm also proud being able to just lay off and not get into it the way I was back then. Now instead I get in early, check on news now and then and focus on building the platform I mostly believe in instead, at the end of the day it feels like I'm doing something a lot more of value. :)

More or less we are in the same page! i have made a nice chunk this year, holding some mid/long term bags , and in the meanwhile trying to build the greek steemit community, spread the word , get more people get in, help them as much as i can ! So i can totally understand your feeling and the value of the cause ! :)

Why would anyone brag about their trades anyways. Be happy about what you made or loat and don't give to much information to the bad bad hacking people out there waiting to get you. :P

sleep shedule is not only screwed, it is nothing for me because i wont even sleep haha. Great post btw. And glad steem is not 2 years anymore to release the coins.

Really liked this post, I am trading and have seen many people that tick all the boxes you mentioned. It’s sad really but there is still this stigma that losing is bad. We really need to change that paradigm, the best of the best traders still lose money - it’s part of the game! Part of the reason for myself to go with Transparent Trader - the good and the bad.

Ha, fantastic post.

effieciently you describe these tacts you people are the real assets of steemit who really do effort and support the steemit community by write these type of posts thanks for your tips dear, lovin it

I agree with you, trading can get too stressful. Better to hold and profit in the longterm in crypto's you trust you will go up. It'll be interesting to see where steem will go after HF-20 when account creation will go way up. I'm excited but scared at the same time.

Very interesting the way you trade, have you ever tried to do an extrapolation? i made some but it's difficult to find the real equation

An interesting post. I've had a bit of luck at trading..... however I had some bad luck as well, especially with XRP. I try to only trade coins that I would actually want to hold if it came down to it. it's definitely tough trying to find good entry and exit points.

"Never start out with more than you can afford to lose. " Well said! This is a good advice!

I'm good at pretending.. ;)

Hey buddy ,thanks for this helpful stuff. Respect. 420 😎

@acidyo - Lol. Nice way to say - Hold on to crypto currency without trading and make big profits longterm but show your 'trading face' to others as the secret of your success. I like the method you describe for showing that you are a successful trader. Will come in handy if someone wants to pretend to be crypto trading 'Guru' and charge hefty sums for 'teaching' trading to innocent newbies! LOL. Thanks for this interesting read. Upvoted

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great post bro hope ya good look fw to catching up

Your last part makes me think of the old-school method of making people think you're good at trading:
send e-mails to tens thousands of people, telling half of them stock X will go up, and the other half that stock X will go down. Repeat 5-10 times with different stocks, and in the end you get hundreds of people thinking you're some kind of genius and that will be ready to buy anything you tell them to buy.

What I'm taking away from this is that the last part of your write up is 100 percent serious and I'll take it as life advice until the day I die. Thanks Acid, I'm sure you won't let me down!

I was into trading for a time, but I could not control stress and Im usually pretty good at it, I think its because at the end there is too much uncertainty. And as far as I`ve seen some people get information before it goes public and those people make money, other from that it goes close to gambling but that is my opinion, I hope you guys make a good living out of it

I do trading only on NYSE, NASDAQ and B3.

For cryptos I work only as a holder due to reduced liquidity and I believe that the potential for return is much higher than doing trading.

Great post as aways my friend. Upvoted

Once I have the capacity to trade, I would probably buy some few coins of different sorts and store them elsewhere and just wait after 10 years or so and see if I made a few satoshis out of it. Btw, good read and thanks for sharing your experience...and the tips of being "supposedly" a good trader, cheers :)

Good post! thanks for sharing @acidyo

Trading is always a lot harder and a lot more stressful than you expect it to be when you start. (Other) readers, consider yourself warned!

@acidyo amaizing thx :)

You have strong points here. Trading is not easy and meant for everyone. It requires study and ability to read the charts properly.People think it is just the buying and selling, so it is the main reason they result in loss.

Awesome post. It's amazing how most of the first half of what you've posted is common sense, but yet the majority of people simply refuse to think about their actions for more than a second or practice any kind of self discipline.

Love the second half too. I wonder how many people on steemit will look at that and go: "Hey Bro! Stop stealing my methods!"

The part about pretending to be a trader appealed to me in a small way, but I can't be bothered to try to fool anyone. I've looked at technical analysis before, but haven't seriously studied it. I just always have the feeling if I tried it I wouldn't recognize the "candlestick" or "cup and saucer" or "head and shoulders" that was forming and telling me to buy or sell or whatever. To me it looks like shapes in the clouds. But I haven't given it a serious effort, so I am not dismissing it.

I don't to be honest coz i fear :(

I really enjoyed your post, I trade cryptos with charts purely and adhere to a strict set of risk management rules so i don't lose control. I also trade equities with mostly charts, but i do look at the fundamentals of a company I intend to hold long term. I think you make a very good point about pretending to trade, lots of experts out there LOL <3

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Nice info

This post makes me think of all the chat comments I've seen... "Why not trade this altcoin, just sell at the top and make some money. Its foolish not to."

if only I could think of that on my own... just sell on the top, isn't that easy? :-)

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Good post. Very informative and useful to readers. Got really good information. This is really of great benefit to Steem community. Trading can become so intense and consuming. Requires full attention and focus to do well. Can become really stressful and draining. Will continue to follow post.

Nicely done. I don't know much about trading under the Crypto platform. I did however trade on the stock exchange model, years ago when I lived in NY.

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