Been pondering this one for a while, why can't we look back beyond the Big Bang? and the only solution I can come up with is that because we can't pull data from beyond that point Due to it all being smashed into a singularity. That the only way to extrapolate what came before is to look forward.
Everything is cyclic, time and space included, so if we peer as far forward into the future as we possibly can, then perhaps we can see the end of the cycle of this space, and the beginning of the next universe. (Same goes for time, as we measure time from the beginning of the universe.)
There was some talk of the great expansion, the universe pushing outwards from the Big Bang and cooling down. This rapid expansion followed by an inevitable contraction as gravity took over and brought us all into a single point once again in The Big Crunch.
Seems logical, but we have established that due to the interaction of dark energy / dark matter within the universe, things are actually speeding up, the expansion is not slowing as expected but it is actually getting faster.
So let's push that further out, and as things expand faster and faster, I propose that eventually the force differential on each atom will overcome the strong and weak forces holding the molecules together, I call this moment "Dissolution" or essentially the dissolving of all matter into energy.
Now we know that waves like to propagate into each other, smooth out and move the waves nearby until they are all cycling at the same frequency. And what happens when two waves meet up perfectly? Amplitude peaks. Cycles merge and become a universe spanning super-wave.
So now we have a universe full of matter turned energy, and cycling as one until all the wave-forms merge into one giant amplitude peak. If this doesn't sound like a textbook example of a Big Bang event, I don't know what does.
So really the heat death and dissolution of the universe is nothing to worry about, it's just the fresh singularity from which the next greater universe will spread, an infinite cycle of shells expanding out past the previous again and again.
Mind-blowing stuff right there. Literally the clock speed of the universal computer.
Of course completely theoretical, and just a random pondering on the nature of the end-beginning.
If you have anything to add I would love to hear from you in the comments below,
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This is more than just a theory in my mind!
You put my beliefs on this subject into words better than I could. We have only to study the world around us to understand the deeper questions. Matter turns into energy and we are all part of a great cycle. <3
Now if only I could figure out how to make an infinite cycle of tea so I don't have to make the constant trips to the kitchen, that'd be great!
In all seriousness tho, thank you for your sharing and kind supporting words CreativeSoul, they mean a lot to me, as do you. Much love. <3
As a physicist myself (with a focus on quantum mechanics) I find your post a lovely thought experiment. You did leave out a few factors though. How do you imagine entropy playing a role in this thought experiment?
entropy as in a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
Or as in lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
I thought I answered this in the great dissolution mechanic when everything just falls apart and becomes a universe spanning super-soup-wave of energy.
Of course I am no scientist. Just a fellow with a few random thoughts bouncing around in the old brain case. So it is not surprising if I may have missed a few spots. If you care to elaborate on a solution to that point I would love to hear it.
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Nice! Yeah I see where you're coming from. You have a scientific way of imagining things, romanticized though it may be.
In the most straightforward and simplest of ways, your imagination could be (more or less) correct. However I think it starts to get a little more fun when you realize entropy's relationship with the physics of an ever-expanding universe is potentially a bit more complex with some fascinating questions.
As you noted, entropy mainly has to do with thermodynamics. However the universe has other dynamics at play, not the least of which is gravity itself. Not to mention we still don't have a complete understanding of the interplay of relationships between dark matter, gravity and entropy.
I think you might really like the theories of emergent gravity and space-time. Here's a good Wired article about it: https://www.wired.com/beyond-the-beyond/2016/12/gravity-actually-entropy-dark-matter-doesnt-exist-etc/
Thanks for sharing. I look forward to reading the article. And what better balance is there then heart and head, science and romance. If you got that from my post then I consider it a Great Success!
Yeah we also have electromagnetic interactions, things redshifting into oblivion, and all sorts of quanta stuff going on. But I didn't want to delve TOO deep and lose the casual observer.
Its a delicate balance, and some of that stuff I am not really qualified to go into. (pretty much all of it)
Thanks for sharing and engaging, much love. <3
Wow, mind-blowing indeed!
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The universe is infinite, and to me, the big bang is a theory that cannot be proven. I don't see a beginning to our creation.
The end is the beginning is the end, hence that part in the closing statement "Of course completely theoretical, and just a random pondering on the nature of the end-beginning."
The only problem is by the time we get the data to prove the theory it will be useless, how will we encode it if all the matter is dissolved into energy then back to matter again?
Send it out as a stream of photons outside the boundaries of the possible expansion zone of the next cycle? Honestly no idea there.
its a ccyle that is based on in breath and out breath inhale and exhale, the "nag" is just that forcceful "pop" sound your lungs and thorat and vocal cords make when u are doing Humming meditation and you have to change from an inhale to an exhale .....the evidence of the "big bang" is definitely there and you can studdy the Cosmic Background Radiation and anyone with an old analog TV can pick it up, its real, but iit wasntthe very "beginning" , theere are multiple dimenions it goes up and up and up forever never ends
Seems very logical to me
Thank you!
In the dissolution of things, I wonder how things would be put back together if they should do so at all. Would I be a part of something or someone else. Crazy you think this deep! I want to pick your brain lol...
Pick away, I think we would just be used as the building blocks of the next expansion, so who knows what way we would come together again, it's completely random and there is a chance that everything could come back out the exact same as it happened before! Now wouldn't that be a trip.
I'd love to know what was before the big bang
I guess we will not find out in our life time
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Well, perhaps you just figured it out! That's the wonder of hypothesis and extrapolation. Now to figure out a way to test the theory. haaaaa.. back to the drawing board
Love this - thanks!
I wish I had a more thoughtful contribution. I shall ponder...
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I like that there's people like you that can write essays about stuff that swirls around in my head in a concise fashion :)
The Big Crunch, I like that. Did you come up with that or did it exist already? :D
(to explain the same thing I would make a story and it would probably span a series or three and I doubt if anyone including me would get it anyway XD)
The Big Crunch was the name given to the assumption and theory of gravity overcoming the expansion effect of the big bang and everything collapsing in on itself again.
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Such a thoughtful post, I love reading and learning about these sorts of things but I need to take frequent breaks or my mind starts doing some seriously wacky stuff! Thanks for sharing!
I'm glad you enjoyed it, stick around because there will be many more to come! <3 much love and thanks for the kind words.
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An interesting take on the problem we face in getting a finger behind the pre-Big Bang situation. Perhaps we are still hampered by a lack of a unifying theory on matter and energy but with dreaming up various scenarios, I am confident someone will solve the next part of the puzzle. With discoveries rising exponentially, big things are sure to happen during my lifetime.
Big things indeed, whenever I see a challenge like "We cannot do" I try to find a solution, I enjoy the challenge even if its just hypothetical musings that are nigh on impossible to prove.
The unifying theory would be great, but if the greatest minds of our time couldn't work it out, not sure what hope I have there.
Very exciting times for sure however, I'm thinking with the advent of quantum computing and being able to run larger and larger simulations we might crack the underlying code of the universe!
Thanks for sharing. <3 Much love.
Looking forward to your next musings on the universe.
I am a firm believer we must drop everything we know and change our perspective on the way we look at the Universe. Nevertheless, great article :)
And how should we look at things instead? interested to hear your thoughts! Thanks for your support and kind words. <3
Oooo, Interesting indeed. I love the fresh perspective.
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What came to mind for me, was trying to see beyond our own birth? The universe, if "born" at the big bang, simply does not have an awareness of what came before, of it's time in the "universal womb" perhaps? I cannot remember the inside of my mother's belly. Now, because human's are not universes, I can see photos and movies of my parents and history before I existed, but universes don't carry around handi-cams as far as I can tell, so at the moment of big bang, when the universe became aware of itself, is perhaps as far back as we can look?
Well everything had something that came before it, there was no wish that just randomly spawned the entire universe, the problem is yes, we cannot look back that far (or well further) because there is no 'footage' so to speak, the information encoded is either on a higher plane or completely eradicated in the noise of the birth cry. Rather poetic. <3 Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the chance to consider this.
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I like to read this kind of stuff ☺ the mystery of the universe makes life so much more interesting.. I pounder about these things too every once and awhile.. I will keep an eye out for more articles of you. Keep it up brother 😆
Deep diving indeed, thank you for your kind words and support, more power to you too fellow journey man, much love. <3
How have we established this? What you speak of I refer to as the end times. It remind me of the book of Revelation in the Bible, have you read it, would you be open minded to it? Just to see if it aligns with anything you're saying. Sounds awfully familiar to me.
Through measurements and experimentation, scientific theory. Taking detection's of stars redshift/blueshift over time and comparing them.
It's a common theme in many books, not just the bible. I've read those already but if you want to point out the relevant passages I'm happy to take another look. <3
Thanks for sharing, much love. <3
I shall do some pickings for you. Thanks for sharing you story with me :)
If I may... the Milky Way's central black hole is like a star in a galaxy, part of a galaxy of galaxies. All observations in the observable universe are within that system.
"Nearby" galaxies of galaxies are on such a large order of magnitude away that we can't see these other systems. This creates the illusion that there is nothing beyond a certain distance away when in reality these systems are simply too far away for our current technology to physically see them. In reality, the universe is infinite and eternal.
For more information, see CascadingUniverse.org
There is also a possibility that there are other universes further outside out sphere of detection that are expanding away from us faster than the speed of light which means to us they don't exist. <3
And yes you may, I'm always up for more knowledge, it is something I can't get enough of. Thanks for sharing and I hope you have a great day. <3
If you are truly interested in discovering answers to these questions, I would suggest you go to a website "Reasons.org" where very knowledgeable Scientists have answers. Hope this helps.
Answers or more questions!? haha, I'll take a look, thanks for sharing. <3
Brilliant theories here, I was wondering with your hypothesis perhaps rather than the dissolution point - what if we are speeding up and the big bang is the start of the cycle and we are rushing towards that.
It is hard to explain what I am thinking, but I will try as best I can :) (nerding out a little here)
Imagine that we are accelerating out from the big bang, but eventually without slowing all mass in the universe will all return to this originating point and that is the actual cause of the big bang and the cycle will begin again - sending all matter back out at an ever increasing speed until the cycle is again completed.
I absolutely believe in the cyclical nature of the universe and in all things really, we are just perhaps incapable of understanding cycles this large - it's easy to see the life cycle of a fly and understand all it's complexities because we can witness it multiple times in our life to learn.
With the universe however, I believe humanity and possibly other forms of life ( not only aliens if they exist but ancient egyptians, minoans etc) had their cycles end to soon to learn of the complexities and until we can learn to better pass on knowledge to the next generation I don't see our cycle gaining much better grasp or understanding of how it works.
I think we may have once had the ability of shared memories, it's been witnessed in animals I believe - where one group of a species experiences some life altering event and learns not to go near something or eat a specific food etc - and then inexplicably a different group of animals of the same species seems to have gained that knowledge even though these two groups never interacted.
It's all trippy to think about, if we could pass our knowledge on in this matter I believe we may have a chance of someday fully understanding what it is we are dealing with when it comes to the universe and time.
I am not fully capable of replying to this with the glory and wonder that is required at this time, (I just woke up) But yes, everything is cyclic and I feel that things are indeed accelerating. Shared memories are indeed a thing, also I think in bird in flight or fish swarms they communicate in some interesting ways as well, I'll have to read into it some more.
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Such sharing. <3
I love the what ifs in all this and I find it most intriguing. I enjoy the speculation.
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You've really thought about this makes kinda sense. Still blows my mind though to be honest.
I was at a party a while back talking to a retired nuclear physicist. He proposed a theory that the universe was like a hour glass. So it filters though expands and expands then when the end is full shoots back to the other side effectively causing a big bang ( a very very brief over view of an hour conversation). Interesting I though but still what was there before this is what makes no sense nothingness existing before each cycle. How can nothing exist ?
Yeah I think that's where we get into some quantum level mumbo jumbo stuff which no matter how hard i stare into the hole I can't make a whole lot of sense of.
super expansion of spacetime due to fluctuations in the tachyon field causing energy/matter to spontaneously appear? (joking I'm just pulling that one out because that's the level of WHAT I get from quantum mechanics)
#blames the time lords.
That kinda the stuff he said, blew my mind. All I know is im here now and so really strange stuff has happened in order to make that happen :)
Welcome to the worlds biggest game, and it's full of ones and zeros that don't know if they are what they are till you look at them. hahaha. Thanks for sharing. <3
Haha yer that's another documentary they blew my mind but again makes sense.
Very interesting.
As far as the theory of the big bang is, of course it's a singularity. We don't really understand everything though. It would seem like some massive singularity exploded for some reason. Maybe there's something that overcomes the power of gravity once all the mass is there. Maybe it was ripped apart by the same force now expanding the known universe. And what is that force?
Whatever it is, I like that your hypothesis has a cyclical sort of end to the seemingly endless expansion into nothingness. The universe expanding so far that everything just flies apart just feels wrong. Like that's the end? If it turns into energy and then coalesce, then that feels more fitting than just an endless expansion and death.