I know it's partly my fault. Having booked a an older male doctor in a rural clinic, I wasn't expecting brilliance. However, I am also incredibly reluctant to stereotype, and there wasn't another appointment til next week. I knew what I wanted to ask. How bad could it be? It couldn't be as bad as the doctor who told me taking the pill was just like putting a different kind of petrol in the car, could it, or the one that told me that I was being paranoid to think that I might need a heart stress test without bothering to ask my family history. Turns out it was as bad as many other experiences I've had with male doctors. I am now refusing to book in with them unless it's an absolute emergency.
David (which may or may not be his real name) asks what he can do for me today. I start with the most simple thing first - I need to see an asthma specialist, because I don't want to take corticosteroids as a preventative. He looks at me. 'Why don't you just take a lower dose?'. I explain that I've been told mixed things by various General Practitioners from taking a break to lower dose to higher doses, and that from reading research online, I was worried it was causing me more harm than good. Asthmatics who take Symbicort are 6 times more likely to suffer a heart attack, for one. And it exacerbates anxiety.
He interrupts. 'You aren't likely to have a heart attack' he said. 'You aren't in the right demographic'. It's my turn to blink. Does no-one ask family history questions anymore? I tell him my sister had one at 38, and my father did despite excellent health. 'Oh,' he says. 'I will write you a referral. You do realise,' he says, 'that he is a private consultant and it costs?'. I look at my ugg boots with the smear of paint on them and my old jeans. I've come straight from the garden. I ignore him. I'm desperately trying not to judge him. He seems not suffer from this concern.
'Okay, but what do you think of the research that highlights these issues with oral cortisteroids?' I ask. He tells me - again - that I should just take a lower dose. Lest we continue to talk in circles, I nod, as if that's a fair enough suggestion. Which it isn't. I'm wondering what it is about men - okay, okay, some men - who have be be right, and couldn't possibly say: 'Let me check with my colleagues, as it's not my area of expertise'.
He suggests a mental health plan would be good for my anxiety. I have a lot on my plate at the moment. It is a fair call, though I'm reluctant to just rattle words around and talk to a counsellor that won't really get it. But I'm not doing great and I'll clutch at anything This plan gives you ten free counselling sessions courtesy of the government, with particular providers. Not the good clinic though. The plan will just drop it down a notch. From $280 dollars to $155. To talk to someone. I'll join the queue for it to be free. Wait a couple of weeks. 'Great' he says. 'But you'll need to book in next week to see someone to get the mental health plan.' I wonder why I can't do it now. I am here after all. He simply repeat that I need to book in to see somebody. This isn't what happened last time but I shrug and deal with it.
I then asked for another test , something more specific. He says that he will do an ordinary blood test. Thyroid, iron levels. Kidneys. I asked him how that would diagnose the thing that I'm worried about because I have particular symptoms (which he doesn't ask about). "You seem like a very intelligent woman", he says. "I will repeat myself. I will do this blood test and if that shows up anything we can go from there." Gritting my teeth, I ask him politely what that test might reveal in terms of my symptoms. He grits his teeth back. "Again, we'd do the blood test. You seem like an intelligent woman".
In fact in the next five minutes he will tell me that I am an intelligent woman about 5 times. Perhaps this is because I tell him about the research paper that I had read, or that I showed a basic knowledge of my endocrine system. When telling my mother about this later she was as indignant as I. Quite likely, she suggested, what he actually meant was that you were being assertive and he didn't like that. I am my mother's daughter, and I had thought the same thing . In fact the he showed very little tolerance for my assertiveness or that I seem to know a little bit more then he would have liked me to. It was keeping him on his toes and he could not possibly admit that he wasn't sure of the answer. In fact the best thing to do was to get rid of me as quickly as possible and pass me on to somebody else.
'Have you tried deep breathing?' he offers. It is my term to interrupt him. I rattle off all of the mental health advice I have learnt over the years, including what they recommend on BuzzFeed - he's offering me advice that's easily accessible to anyone who can google. He raises his eyebrows. It seems I am affirming his view of me as an intelligent woman. Next I will be telling him I can cook and clean as well as read.
When I go to pay, the receptionist surely notices the look on my face. I tell her I need to book in for a mental health plan. She raises her eyebrows, but in quite a different way. The kind of look that says she understands what I have just been through. The kind of look that says you're not the only one dissatisfied with the bedside manner or the treatment by this particular doctor. She rolls her eyes. I laugh. "We can do better than that", she says. "How are you with young female doctors?"
I am fine with them, I say. I find them empathetic, diligent and attentive - and often, flexible thinkers who treat you as an equal. She agrees. She believes that it is because they have to prove themselves to be as good as men. I shake my head. We both know it's a weird world we live in that this is the state of things. She senses my disappointment and frustration that I have to book another unnecessary appointment , bulk bills me for this one (in Australia, this means that you aren't charged, instead of paying the subsidised fee - it's usually up to the doctor's discretion) and she ensures that I will be bulk billed for the next. I feel a bit better. At least someone there has understood the situation and shown empathy.
The appointment the following day is a very different one. I'm booked in to see my naturopath. She talks to me about new research, listens to my symptoms, asks if I have heard particular herbs and if I have used them, what I think of them. She offers her own story of extreme anxiety, which is identical to mine except for one detail only, the trauma which induced it. The physical sensations were the same. The sleepless nights period the weight on your chest. The tremors. The restlessness, the feeling that you were going to die, or that dying was preferable to this overwhelming physical sensation in the body. We are both nearly crying. She gets it.
She gives me the number of a reiki specialist that she knows. She looks into my eyes to confirm what we suspect. It is extraordinary because she immediately can see what I have been self diagnosing and was trying to tell the doctor, who dismissed me outright because despite being an intelligent woman, it was he that had the knowledge. She gives me the herbs I need, plus another powder that has had good results in a private clinical trial in Sydney. She gives me her email address and books me in for a new appointment in six weeks time. She tells me that I can email her anytime if I have any questions, and if things get too bad that she will somehow fit me in, and that everything will be ok.
This incredible naturopath studied for years - biological science, herbal medicine, lifestyle coaching, botany, clinical practice and a plethora of other things that make her professional and knowledgeable when it comes to health. She is also studying to be a TCM doctor, in part because that title will enable her to allow people to get treated on a private health fund. This April, naturopathy was listed by the Australian government as one of the alternative practices that could no longer fall under a private health fund. This doesn't affect me as I don't have private health care. I believe, like she does, that go money is better saved instead and put towards where it is needed most - plus, we have a pretty good health care system in Australia. However, she knew of many families with private health care and children that would stop coming because they simply could not afford it even though they got more success and help from this alternative practice then their local mainstream doctor.
It's estimated that complimentary medicine is used by over two thirds of Australians, and well educated woman make up the greatest proportion of uses. Naturopathy welcomed a report into natural medicines by the government (who were looking at savings) becaus they presumed they'd be recognised for the work they do. How wrong they were.
Basically, they narrowed the scope of assessment down so much that naturopathy was bound to fail - they assesed ONLY English studies, disregarded studies that focused on PREVENTION rather than cure, only looked at studies in last 5 years, ignored studies that showed specific health outcomes like increased well being, better elf-esteem and decreased anxiety, and ignored the tools of their trade - that is, it ignored any naturopathy who used lifestyle education, nutritional supplementation and herbal medicine. It also ignored thousands upon thousands of privately funded studies that DID show the benefits of natural medicines, from curcumin to reishi to inositol to magnesium and many, many more.
How crazy is that? That's like judging a surgeon on how they talk to their patients and not their operating skills. And if my GP went under THAT study, he'd be struck off. Of course, big pharma is rubbing their hands - as they stand to benefit. More money for drugs. Yay.
Not only that, the media this absolute farce of an investigation generated meant that once again, naturopathy's reputation in the public eye is lowered. If you can't claim a rebate for it, and the government doesn't support it, most people won't see it as legit. They won't look into it further. Consider also the dangers of people using natural medicines without professional guidance - something the government advises against, yet in the same breath limits the very people who can do just that.
And this is at a time when we need natural medicines as a preventative more than ever.
Have you visited a naturopath? What is your experience?
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I CANNOT STAND DOCTORS TODAY. THEY DI NOT TREAT, ONLY GIVE RELIEF OF SYMPTOMS. THATS IT.
I try to avoid stereotyping too, but 9 times out of 10 I'm right in my instincts. It's probably not even instinct so much as experience. I wonder what it is with some men that they feel admitting lack of experience in a specific area somehow makes them more inferior, or having a woman who might be able to compete with them on their level.
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Urrgh!
Lucky I was on a crowded train, otherwise I would have been yelling at my phone reading this.
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Not sure about numbers in Oz, but here, big pharma spends the most of any lobby in DC. Double what big oil spends. (Everyone needs to ponder the weight if that.) 70% of the ads on TV are pharma ads. They own both the government and the media.
It's funny, I've got a post scheduled in two days about my visit with an alternative health practitioner. I'm so happy you're seeing one and breaking a little bit more from the big pharma machine. Now that you've seen the herbalist, it'll give you an idea some seeds to start!!!!
Yep. Punch him in the dick and stop seeing him. Not that it'll affect his salary, which is funded not by your copay, but by government and pharma reps, but that it'll affect your well being. Fuck that guy, and I think you're right. The older generation are stuck in the ways that they learned when they started industrial agriculture and chemical warfare on people and soil. They can get fucked.
Also, if you're into podcasts, the single best one I've ever hear is Wise Traditions. My God, it's so fresh and real and nourishing!!!! Highly recommend it for every single person. They get it. At the end of every single episode they pose the question to their guest "what is the one thing our listeners can do to live a better life?" And the answers are simple. It's literally like seeing an alternative doctor daily. I try to listen to at least four episodes a day during the week.
It's a good thing it's easy to part from these systems a little at a time. Raise food at home. Plant seeds. Know the people that produced the food you eat. That's the core of our revolution: community. And it can't be stopped.
Honestly, I'm afraid to go to doctor and never visit hospital for a long time 😁
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Lucky you have your Mum as an expert! Let's hope you don't NEED to go!
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I know this GP all too well. I'm so sorry you had to go through all that, but very happy you eventually got treated by someone competent.
Medical freedom is under assault in the US. Mandatory vaccines, MANDATORY, are sweeping this nation.
I applaud you for taking that asshole on as you did. They need that. We all need that.
shame some "professionals" are so far from it.
Exactly. And some is the key.. there ARE good doctors.. but I when I went looking, they were booked out for WEEKS.
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I don't go to doctors unless I absolutely must.
My experience with a psychotherapist is akin to the frustration you went though, though very different of course. She kept saying we need to assess more and talk more, kept asking the same questions each session. I kept saying I want to do something when I am in a panic or rage attack, not days later in a session. I want to be able to stop emotional flashbacks. "Yeah, we need to talk more." And then after 8 sessions I stopped. And after 1 EFT session, I was already lightyears ahead, like seriously.
It's because, while some are kind or helpful, they are all, main stream docs and therapists, brainwashed by the system and they don't know it. You won't find an Anarchist doctor or Voluntaryist therapist. You just don't. Alternative therapies and remedies usually are where they'll be.
But man, that guy sounds so infuriating and patronising. I remember however getting a good doctor at a clinic checkup who told me to do yoga and relax. Context is I saw him at the insistence of the narc who abused me and he was present and kept saying I was always ill (yeah, of course, I was terrified so I was constantly ill). The doc maybe saw his game but "Narcky" never let me speak with the doc on my own. Uh, I'm so glad I have all this knowledge today. We can all find what heals us. I am my own guinea pig, I suppose 😉
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Yeah.. this was a must.. like I'm SINKING here and none of my go to were working. Even EFT. It's really interesting to hear your experience of counselling.. that was my impression too. Talking was just a roundabout!! Ha, guinea pigs we are. Always learning through experience!!!
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For sure. But also finding what works best for us and not doing what others say we should, just doing what we know is best for us. THAT is self empowerment.
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Oh, don't get me started on doctors! I long ago lost count of how many I've seen. Health care here in the US is pretty useless.
I had pneumonia January 25th and trouble breathing. Finally to see a pulmonologist May 6th. That's after a SECOND bout of trouble breathing 2.5 weeks ago. That's just to get in!
I long ago started trying to improve my health as much as I could on my own. I often wish I had someone to ask things of, who had a clue. Someone who has had more than 1 week's training about nutrition through their entire medical training, or more than 1 HOUR'S training about sleep through same.
The specialists seem to be uniformly clueless, even though they supposedly have much more training.
A lot of it is their hands are tied by the insurance companies. They aren't allowed the time to spend with their patients they need.
Exactly. I agree that many of them are influenced by all sorts of things... time, drug companies, mandates... And can't agree more we need to be experts on our own health as much as we can. Clearly we don't have all the answers ourselves either.. it's hard to self treat and expert advice and consultation is sooo helpful! I pretty much knew what was wrong... I just needed both a sounding board and access to good liquid herbals you cant get anywhere. Plus advice on asthma treatment which despite years of research and self help I'm no closer to solving!
What I find unforgivable in instances like this is poor bedside manner and an unwillingness to listen and empathise.
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Sorry you had this experience. Generally, my personal experiences have been very mixed. I've had some spectacular awful (and hideously expensive!) naturopaths and natural therapists, and three of the best doctors EVER in my world have been traditionally trained men who were able to step outside their box - a cancer special and an orthopedic guy in Australia, and our wonderful English speaking Thai GP here in Chiang Mai. It is what it is. I am my own best Dr. I think a tiny pivot point that you might consider is buried in your opening paragraph: "I wasn't expecting brilliance". We really do create our reality through our beliefs and how we project those out into the world. IMHO. In the end my preference is always natural medicine, because that' what the inherent healer within knows is best.
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Nope. No amounting manifestation was gonna magic up a good doctor in this town nor was it going to transform the beside manners and lack of professionalism of the ones who were there. I saw the names on the list and had seen them all before.
But, it was a good thing as that bad experience was picked up by receptionist who told me of the new good doctor in town.. EXPECTING better next week!
Not ALL are bad.. thats a generalisation but sadly typifies the VAST majority of most people I have spoken to. Yeah we had a good TCM/GP/ayurveda growing up. He moved to Byron. And a good Indian doctor. Humble. I was told of a couple of good ones.. they were booked out for WEEKS.
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I know what you mean. Docs had me on a med (oxcarbazepine) that dried my joints out and i ended up getting a pointless surgery because of it. Then when i switched medicines on my own by badgering a newbie doc all my issues went away.
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'Badgering a doctor' ... yes!!! It's like we HAVE to do that to get anywhere. So I walked in with a badger attitude.. yet polite... and he did NOT like that at all. We need to be in charge of our own health though... trust can be tricky, especially in situations like yours when you've had such a shit experience. My Dad was told he had a kind of fibromyalgia when he had a cancer tumour... he trusted his GP when he should have got a second opinion. It was only that he went for a skin chevk.up that the skin doctor said.. hmmm.. get a biopsy. Whilst doctors are human, sometimes they are very cursory too.
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Yeah you definitely have to set the agenda with the docs otherwise they'll send you down the pharma path with lots of side effects and useless treatments. Either that or they'll just shuffle you from one doc to another.
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This hits way too close to home, just reading it makes me anxious, and it is not all males! Things like, "you are just a hysterical femaIe on your period" (from a man) to "you cannot be allergic to lettuce, it is only water" (from a female)!
I have to do a walk in on Monday and am dreading it... allergic reaction. Sadly, previous visits to doctors such as this, small town no where else to go and no choices, I have developed severe white coat syndrome which freaks everyone out which freaks me out more. Sadly, it also keeps me from doing annual check ups.
Small towns dont seem to attract good doctors do they? Or perhaps it's that we have less choice... Totally acknowledge my generalisation, just in my experience woman are more empathetic and less patronising. Sorry to hear about your allergic reaction. What was it to?
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No, you are correct, women generally are and they listen more,I just wanted to point out that there are some who are not and sadly, I have been on that side too.
Not sure, but I think my allergy is related to leggings on my bare skin and body heat... I have broken out in a rash from waste to feet 🙁 I am allergic to latex so not sure if the spandex had something in common with that; could be the chemIcals used in the process. I have only worn them a few times and usually in winter with “johns” underneath, this time it was direct to the skin.... looks like I have a very nasty sunburn and it doesn't seem to be subsiding... started last Tuesday and I only had them on for an hour or two, I was heated up doing housework.
Oh no!!!! Throw them out for sure. Poor you. Hope it subsides soon.. sounds rotten!!!
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Thank you so much for sharing this! I know too well that experience with doctors.
It's interesting for me too, since my good friend has been diagnosed with asthma and prescribed symbicort 4 times a day the rest of his life - which he hasn't accepted, but is still searching for options.
Never heard the term naturopath, I wonder if there is an equivalent over here....
Oh I don't know what to say really, I have not been to a doctor in a very long time, but I am all too aware of what some of them are like. They have been told to always think inside the box, so when someone challenges them they can not handle it. I do hate to stereo type but older men are the worst esp towards women, like we should know our place around them and show them the uppermost respect. They do not understand that respect is earned, they believe it is a given because of their title. Well done you on standing your ground.
I have a great herbalist and homoeopath that I really trust and so far they are all that I have needed xxx
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Never tried naturopath, however I do agree that conventional medical treatment is rubbish. They don't look at the root cause. They treat the symptoms from my experience.
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