Hello, didn't know that you were monstermother! (If I remember correctly, you actually beat me several times at silver/bronze tourneys)
I agree that there are some players who are talented but do not have leveled up cards. But I guess this is the part we may not agree with: I believe that if someone has underleveled cards for the tourney league level, she should not participate "just to test water" and focus on the right league level tourneys.
We are still in early stage, but I won't be surprised to see 100+ people join for free tourneys, and for gold foil only or diamond level tourneys I certainly would not like to see that unless they actually have cards to compete with.
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I think @aggroed has successfully convinced people that an entry fee is the way to stop low level decks from playing in high level tourneys. I think its a hollow argument though. The reason is because they can limit a player to participation based on his league level in the quest leagues... If you are a silver league player in that league, why not limit them to jsut the silver league tourneys... They your issue would be solved.
But @aggroed and @yabapmatt aren't doing it that way. Of course they could and it wouldn't break a promise and it would also make everyone much happier. But either they didn't think of it (which I doubt) or they wanted to introduce a "fee" to play. Either way it isn't acceptable to me when it is easy to both:
a) achieve what you want (proper competition) and
b) not break their promises to the investors of the cards.
Again, thanks for your input and for engaging us. I just want you to understand what its like from others who might not be as good as you but still want to participate in the Steemmonster program.
I keep wondering... I'm struggling every day to keep my level 6 deck in Diamond 3 this season, while during the previous seasons, I even got it up to Champion 3. Would your proposal mean that i should play Diamond tourneys with my level 6 deck?
I just mean... I think it won't be as easy to fix as it sounds, because they would have to tweak the entire game to make sure I don't get to reach Diamond with my Gold level deck...
I think the ratings would get "real" if people needed to play the quests to earn their ranks so they could enter the tourneys. So I don't think you could make it to diamond with a level 6 deck or if you did they you would be a super talented player since that level would have mostly level 8 decks.
And they seem hellbent on letting the big decks play also in the small tourneys too (which I don't like, but its another convo). So if they made it so that you are capped at least at the level you make in the quest league, then that would limit the people from playing as they are supposedly worried about.
I think if they did that though it would make more people want to play the quests and the fight to get ranked to a good level would be legit. So I doubt it would be all robots like we have experienced in the past.
I hope it helps and I don't think you are in danger of them taking any of my proposals. I think I've crossed swords with Aggy too much to ever put that genie back in the bottle.
Welcome to my world ;0)
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We need to remember that there is also a difference between the leagues in season games and tournaments. Tournaments currently do not have a champion level classification to themselves. So in reality a deck that plays in the champion league in season games, is equivalent to diamond league standard for tournaments The question then, is do we need a champion level classification for tournaments? My deck along with my ability would not be able to win a tournament currently in a diamond class tournament against the champion level players in season games! It's a pretty exclusive club up there at the moment:)
Thank you for the reply again. Your comments expanded my horizon - Now I understand how other players may view the game and system, and it is very helpful.
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Thank you for reading. I know this was a huge thread, but your participation here was definitely welcome and I'm happy to see you got to meet some of the very cool "more casual" players that you might never bump into!
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I don't really understand this because it should be self-regulating. Why are people going to waste their time entering tournaments that they know they can't cash in? And if for some reason they do, they'll be out quickly and it won't be a big deal.
If this is an excuse for not doing matchups well - which they definitely aren't - then why not be up front about that?
Hm, good point. Since it's still early stage, we will see how tourneys go.
I thought that if tourney table is random, then if you get lucky you may simply proceed easily and this will happen more frequently if there is no entry fee.
However, after reading this article and comments, now I understand that 'luck' is part of the game anyway and it may actually increase the player base.
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The tourney table isn't random, it's filled by order of entry. The exploitability of this is left as an exercise for the student.
One of the things that concerns me here is the complete lack of interest in prior art. @aggroed freaks out over two-hour tournaments when the entire rest of the gaming industry operates scheduled tournaments as 4+-hour events. They seed by entry time. They launch without refunds for unregistering. These are really basic unforced errors that could have been avoided by looking at any other tournament system ahead of time.
There really isn't enough luck in Monsters for it to function successfully as a gambling game. The problem with mass entries to the freerolls isn't that they make it boring for the better players but that they have no chance to win. Gambling tournaments like poker or DFS do well by offering everybody a shot while the better players have a substantial edge. Skill-game tournaments like most e-sports do well by offering deep strategy trees and action that is interesting to watch on a stream. Monsters right now has neither of these things, and doesn't seem to have a direction towards them.
Yes exactly. That's why I have pushed for the "single-splinter" events... People can focus on one specific splinter grouping and luck of the matchups give you some hope to win. Of course you have to be good, but you don't have to own every card possible to win (just focus on the splinter you like best and build that).
Encouraging others to play and win should be something they should be doing, but instead they are trying to "protect" the good players by giving out big pots from the "general prize pool" and restricting entry of the masses so that the tourneys move fast. And while I want to see you (and the other great players) rewarded, I also want to see the other people feel they can play and earn too. (Note: I am perfectly fine with making the pay higher for the higher tiers, and also with restricting entry to the size of the decks, just not by using fees to do so.)
I do not disagree with that.
I entered a Diamond tournament two or three times, because I thought perhaps it could be a good learning experience. But the only thing I learned is that there's not a lot to learn if you can't make it past round 1, lol. I learn way more just playing the leagues - still not enough to get really good at the game, though.
Opposite to that, if someone beats me over and over again, while my deck is ... let's say Silver level, while that person has lower level cards, that person - with a deck that's not (completely) leveled up to match the Silver league 'standards' - probably has a better chance to win a silver tourney than I do.
But I do get your point. And the example I use above is of course different from entering a diamond tourney with level 5 summoners only...
Hope you do well on silver/bronze tourneys! I feel that once you reach gold level limit your card levels are crucial...
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That's the thing. My highest deck is perfectly maximized to play Gold league tournaments. Up until a couple of weeks ago, I even won two gold tournaments.
The funny thing is, that I had no clue about how the the sneak and snipe rules worked back then.
Since I learned, it seems like I've only gotten worse.
I guess I'm overthinking it too much :)
Congrats! Gold level tourneys are lucrative ones so far.
And yeah, I feel that when I think too much I am more likely to lose too.
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My main problem is selecting the right splinter... I decide and than start doubting. I should learn to trust on my intuition instead of switching to a different splinter with only 30 seconds left on the timer, lol
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