I think @randowhale should be used more by minnows to upvote each other than ourselves. Admittingly, I tried it once and the "upvote" was less valuable than the 2SBD I "invested" which was a bit discouraging.
Overall, I think we should be looking at other options that define a topic as "trending" or "hot"
One whale vote should not push you into trending. One of ANY vote should not push you into trending.
Perhaps we could look at the option of three different formulas;
Upvote count: Elevate posts purely by the number of upvotes not by the "value" of the vote
Comment count: Elevate posts based on the discussion they generate. Posts with more interaction move up the chain.
Upvote and comment offset. Develop a formula that gives a weight to upvotes and a weight to comments that moves a post up the chain.
For method 3 I would propose that a "comment" be weighted as 5 upvotes (conditionally). For a comment to have a "weight" it must have at least one upvote from someone other than the comment author, that upvote may come from the original poster though.
Just a thought ...
First you got a new follower for the awesome feedback. I appreciate it.
Second you bring up some really good ideas. My only fear is, what is the advantage to being a whale if that is the case? I feel like only the minnows and the newer people want it to be more fair and the whales like it the way it is. I've made and lost some money using Rando, but I always pick up a few followers which in the long run could change things drastically for me and make the long term effects very profitable. I have promoted a post using Steemit to try out that form of advertising and it doesn't work nearly as well as a single vote from Rando. It also doesn't put me on Trending ever or Hot ever by itself, it just helps me break onto the hot list when my normal fans also vote for it. It just pushes me over the edge a little. As a form of advertising, it works, but if a single vote could put me on trending by itself, then that would be a little unfair... but then again, it is open to everyone. Like I said, I'm kinda torn, but I look at is advertising costs and I rarely expect to get back all of my money from ad costs, but the long-term effects should be profitable.
Great feedback, thank you for posting.
I think the advantage to being a whale remains with the income, even using the suggestions I offered.
While the actual count of upvotes and quality interactions (comments) would drive a post up the stream for "visibility" the whale vote would still have more monetary value.
I see this as a way to allow a "good" post the opportunity at 10,000 minnow votes (about $100) or 10 dolphin votes (about $100) or 1 whale vote (about $100) or some combination of those.
This would also make it so that "whales" would still have to work for the upvote instead of getting "TOP" exposure for posting "hey there, I'm a whale" and getting $1,000 for it.
I mean, where's the value when a post that takes several hours of photography and research gets $0.10 while "Jerry Banfield is now on Steemit" makes $15,000?
Ultimately the market decides value. Just because someone spent hours on a post, doesn't mean it has value. Forcing value seems like it could corrupt the whole system. I understand what you are saying, but the freedom whale have is also due to the fact that most of them built up an audience long before we got here. I like how hard it is to get traction. I think it weeds out the people that are here for a quick buck. That is just me though. I think some of your ideas are solid and could possibly implemented, but I don't want to force value on something. Then that will mess with the whole system. I like how the market assigns value. One of my favorite things about Steemit.
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@timeshiftarts you have won the FREE RANDOWHALE I'm offering. Just reply back a post that you would like me to use it for and I will pay for it. Please provide link. Congratulations and I really appreciate the good discussion. Thank you.
I think the most amusing to promote would be this one ...
https://steemit.com/money/@timeshiftarts/increasing-the-value-of-cash
Even though I have many thoughtful posts.
Just sent it through. Just come back here and confirm if you can. I would appreciate it.
Golden ... Thank you very much
Thank you for having a great discussion. You rock. I hope it helps.