I'm curious what purpose these trails serve. Would the same funds not be better going to actual authors. I would be interesting in hearing what the community thinks.
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I'm curious what purpose these trails serve. Would the same funds not be better going to actual authors. I would be interesting in hearing what the community thinks.
That's what I thought the idea was - to create trails that vote on the authors of the posts that deserve the votes based on the quality of their content. These trails appear to be sharing other people's work, then upvoting their own trail accounts...not the authors. Some have even complained about the trail accounts posting some of their work without permission, then benefiting greatly from it.
But the sheer volume of trails and the rewards that they're getting - often without many views or interaction - is a little absurd.
Even in chainbb you have the Post Rewards Beneficiaries system.
Authors that are in the featured posts made by those trails could be added to the system and it would give them the percentage they deserve. That is not that hard to do.
Maybe steemit could have something like that too.
That can be done. It's not exclusive to chainbb. Why it's not being done seems to be a mystery.
Whales should flag them to annihilation :-)
Oh look, trails-trail is still free. Hm.
I was going to create shitpost-trail ...
Be sure to include me on that,....
me too, f*ck >:(
Create it now, before it's too late! Maybe they'll accidentally vote on it and you can be part of the voting scheme...all the way to the crypto bank!
Or I could just do The Daily Trail Selection and Steem Trail News. I like to out-meta people.
Really? I'm saddened to see your response to this stuff.
I'm saddened to see what I originally thought was a good project turn into almost no control whatsoever over self-voting "community" accounts to the tune of hundreds of dollars per post. These "trails" were supposed to be about finding and upvoting quality content, not creating a bunch of different trails to upvote with whale power.
What happened to spreading/allocating rewards to users on their own posts? Why isn't that the goal, instead of funneling a ton of rewards through the -trail accounts?
i see a 'daily photo selections' post BY @photo-trail making $375 and features 17 photographers.
how much of that $375 will those photographers see?
if they aren't getting shit, do they know that?
I have a question on that post which they have yet to respond to.
I got featured as well in that trail, they made a lot of SBD by just collating all photos of the day.
Much better 😊
wrong. we are committed to building more communities...self sustaining communities. you gotta think bigger man!
how much money has been generated for the trails from content that belongs to other people?
how much of that money has been given to the creators?
I think it might be sarcasm, or irony, or something in that vein.
Now you're talkin'!
@ats-david you have been consistently upvoting most of my photography posts, I thank you for that kind sir, and some of those get featured in the photo-trail, where the total photos of other authors combined, get $300 plus which is good for them but I guess not good for us authors. During the last few days I was then approached by photo-trail if I would want my photo included in their post or just the link..So my answer, was the best way possible that I can reach a wider audience..which is including my photo..I didn't know this until now, it just saddens me because I have to go out in the middle of the hot sun and shoot. I need to bring extra clothes because the sun makes me perspire like I went to the shower.. My point is the original authors should also get the same treatment or attention when our work is shared to another post.
Hey, I want to be civil here so please no flagging, but that isn't the "model" of the trails. The trails do 'vote on authors of posts that deserve the votes based on the quality of their content', we upvote and support the authors whos content is featured and the rewards that go to the trails help them grow so their support to the minnows it worth more down the line. If the trails never grew, it would be impossible for them to offer any impactful support.
Even if the views are low on a particular post, does it not balance out when the trail hosts can now have a 1$ upvote for minnows and offer contests or challenges?
you guys are making your own posts with other peoples content and raking in HUNDREDS of dollars when the original posts are barely making double-digit figures.
I find this questionable behavior at best.
A percentage of the posts earnings at the very least should be shared among the creators whos content you made that money from. There is no excuse for this.
Does this mean you have talked to all the people featured to find out if they didn't have permission? A steemian will learn facts well before hurriedly concluding!
what it means is I know what i see
i see photos that do not belong to someone who made a post containing those photos, and now that post is pushing $400.
if the creators gave permission for them to make money off of their creations and not see a dime of it, then they are fucking morons.
If you are asking me, then yes. This has been noted in the trail repeatedly, to assure to ask all content creators for their feature.
No it doesn't 'balance out' you just need to take a look at the figures being moved out into exchanges from @trails and the figures being transferred into the acc from all the other -trail accounts to see something unfair is happening on a huge scale. You can see that the actual creators/authors are not getting anything like like figures, total bs about being for the community, they are for themselves otherwise why not split the rewards more fairly?
At what percentage? How much of your trail's influence is actually allocated to the users you upvote compared to your own -trail account?
For the trail I manage, 100%. I don't know what you mean upvoting my own account. When I log onto my trail I go to my tag, I go to new, and I start upvoting and resteeming articles that have good work and no plagiarism. I retain 100% of my vote power and usually start with NEW articles.
I understand your concerns, but for my trail (science-trail) all of my influence is allocated to the users who I upvote, and I don't feel as if I have don't anything other than try to offer support to the little guy. Even the first post I made powered up so that it would generate the most steem power out the gate, to help people down the road.
I didn't even get any payout on the 607 dollar post I created from scratch (nobody elses content), and the payout I would have gotten from the recent 350$ post, which I planned to reinvest to help grow myself as a reward for my community engagement has been diminished 150$ because of this attack. My trail isn't very old mind you, but I feel this is an adequate and fair course of action which has been unjustly harased.
So you are not one of the trails with links back to @trail or @steemtrails . You don't regularly transfer funds to either of them, then you are not doing anything wrong. There are many 'trails' who regularly transfer rewards to @trails, which is believed to be way in excess of actual author rewards that members of the respective trail receive. This is deemed an unfair 'theft' by many of the community.
Well, that isn't 100% accurate either. The owners of this system have had steemtrails in operation for months, they have other community projects to organize and other accounts to moderate. They claim a percentage of the 50/50 payouts which are the choice of the account owners.
I'm glad that you can recognize that there isn't anything inherently villainous to the project . The members of the community that deem this unfair theft by the community have to understand that the excess generated by the reputation of the trail is the same as any other steemit account. No system can operate to the size of steemtrails without compensating the users who allow it to operate, that is why many of the hardworking users part of the project are speaking out agaisnt an unfair attack on their accounts, like me.
When the community speaks and want to grow something...support happens. and this is what you are seeing. its a great thing!
Why don't you actually answer the questions that are being asked @instructor2121? You're doing nothing but beating around the bush because you know all of these funds are going straight to your wallet and nowhere else.
your not answering important questions
please pay attention
The only purpose they serve is to make the team that is publishing them more SBD to dump on the exchanges. Why else?
my photos were featured and made their post hundreds of SBD, while mine was out in the cold.
Certainly looks like that.
It appears so. Fair distribution to the real authors needs to come. This is a monopoly.
Well one way to do it would be to share the rewards with the original source authors - the last hard fork allowed that and I think people would appreciate it. I don't have the technical expertise to say how hard or easy it would be to implement but I think it should be possible.
i might even venture out so far as to say it's a "theft ring".
On the 💰
I actually found some new photographers to follow through @photo-trail, but if they don't share the rewards back to the authors, then it's exploitation at best.
Yes in fact I have found others through these kind of summary posts - I think we need to be careful that people are happy to be part of it though - I think profit sharing would help.