I agree there's a win-win somewhere available. The tougher part here is that anything we would come up with would at best be used by the curation guilds, versus individual whales/users. (Which personally I'm ok with.) I think many of the guild might be ok with something like this, like the shooting for 2ish dollar rewards for the 'lesser posts.' I don't think we could really ever have a full say for the individual (high SP) voters, since really that's theirs to do what they want with.
I do agree on the old highly paid intro posts...many many many issues that came from that. While I don't want to really have things go back that way, it is important to have some way to hook the 'good' users while minimizing the risk of being 'burned/scammed' or just not helped by the not so good users. (i.e. 1 huge payout post which was then just cashed out.)
In the end though, I do feel there is a middle ground many here could be comfortable with. We just can't be too worried though when a whale (not a part of a curation group/guild/allocated SP) bumps something we may not find high quality. It's bound to happen.
And in the end, quality is always somewhat subjective. If that one sentence and a pic made me smile, laugh, or invoke some powerful emotion, it becomes harder to judge. There will always be some gray area.
Well, one picture can make us smile but it is low quality content if it wasn't drawn by the author :-) I think that by now "the creators" have moreless of an idea what the good quality content is. It is defined by the amount of one's personal original input/work.
I agree that we cannot prevent some whales from curating such content. That's why the site owners could help with it by clearly stating what is welcome and what is not. Like they did with "featured author" content.
Yes I'm just saying that it's a compromise on length. It doesn't have to be long but I still expect a quality post. If it's just a link I don't really find that appealing - I think your idea of giving a low reward to that makes sense - maybe we could all agree to only vote say 10-20% on those posts as community convention.
I was in threads recently with @donkeypong etc -- and agreed that short form posts have a place and can be great posts. Not everyone can spend time on a long post -- either writing or reading it. They have a purpose for sure. You will see my odd post up stating Short Form Post right in the title so people know it is short. Not meaning it is crappy lol
Clinical issues or time constraints both play a role in people not having the ability to read long posts, even though some are just beauties. You know what I am saying brother!
I think it is the personal input that makes the difference. Even if you don't have much to say it doesn't take a huge amount of work to say a few words and personalise things. If you read a good article in a magazine that you want to share I enjoy the post more if there is something personal about it i.e. what you think and feel about the situation.
If you just post a link and a title then I don't see any value in that - how do we even know you read it. I've noticed a lot of people just fire out multiple posts per day which take no time and they sometimes get more attention than real genuine posts made by newcomers. They see that and then they either copy it or they get disheartened and give up. Either way we lose.
I think with the TIL thing we have as a community try to reach a compromise. I don't think there are easy answers though other than my initial point about personalising things I don't know what else to suggest. It is difficult.
"If you just post a link and a title then I don't see any value in that - how do we even know you read it. I've noticed a lot of people just fire out multiple posts per day which take no time and they sometimes get more attention than real genuine posts made by newcomers."
You are very right.
"I think with the TIL thing we have as a community try to reach a compromise. "
Not sure what you mean by "compromise".
IMO, even TIL posts should not be allowed to be of low quality - by law quality I mean plagiarism/copypasta or "1 sentence, 1 YT video link" posts.
If someone wants to post poor quality then it is fine. but we all should agree not to reward if for more than 2sdb (just an idea for the amount). Steemit community has to come to consensus on this. This requires certian whales to agree on that, so they will not incentivize poor content by curating it.
Amen!! Well said. I hope you read my main reply in this thread, it is dedicated to not only the author, but people like you! I appreciate what you do.
I do agree that the TIL posts are an attempted compromise at finding value in shorter posts. Just because a post is short doesn't necessarily translate to poor quality (those they can.) I tend to fall in the same mode of thought with @thecryptofiend that I need to see something personal added in the mix. If I feel that it was simply a copy/pasted paragraph or two, then there isn't that personal touch that is necessary to make it stand out from what that original author had done. Personally that concept of added value (which personalizing accomplishes in my eyes) is how I tend to 'judge' borderline posts.
I can agree with this as well as @thecryptofiend's points. Regardless of how much I may like something, if it is solely a title and a link/video, I just can't get myself to vote for it, even if I like it.
There really is quite a bit to be said for actually framing the "non-original" content in this sense. Simply adding that paragraph or two that explains the link/video, that users personal take on it, and maybe a bit on why we should care goes a long way in my personal book. I'll admit what is required to 'add value' to a post is subjective, but I would expect most people would find some added value when including the above. Even if it's not chosen to be voted for, this would go a long way to prevent receiving flags.