Lobtailed?? or Whale Tailed??
The Comment
I was recently away for a few days and when I returned I noticed that @pfunk had left a comment in one of my posts about Bitconnect. In his comment he explained that ponzi scams hurt others and can be promoted by well intentioned but naive investors/members of said scam. He asked me to read his 3 month old post on Bitconnect explaining why Bitconnect is bad and a ponzi scheme.
I did read his post, and the very first line in his article about Bitconnect says,
"let's call it what it MOST LIKELY is."
The key words 'Most Likely' immediately hit me in the face. I continued reading the article which further directed me to read two other posts that would further solidify the conclusive argument that Bitconnect MOST LIKELY IS a Ponzi scheme. So I read those two post but so far everything discussed in those posts was simply argumentative with no solid facts. Then going back to finish reading @pfunk's post, the next line floored me.
The purpose of this post is to put Steemians on notice that promotion of BitConnect with referral links makes you an active, profiting participant in the scam.
Not only had no one proved that Bitconnect is a ponzi scheme, but now anyone promoting it would be considered a scammer without any proof other than speculation. I felt lobtailed and immediately wondered if @pfunk had picked on someone their own size like @craig-grant or @trevonjb . I don't mean to throw them 'under the bus,' but I am a small Dolphin, and pfunk is a whale backed by other powerful accounts either owned by pfunk or on good terms with them. Craig and Trevon are heavies when it comes to discussing Bitconnect here on Steemit, and I am sure they take advantage of using their referral links for Bitconnect.
Have they too been put on notice??
I continued reading the post mentioned in the comment that explained that Steemit's purpose of onboarding new users to crypto-currency was not being helped by promoting such scams as Bitconnect. The promoting the likes of Bitconnect was counterintuitive to Steemit's designs and goals, and that this was harmful to all of the crypto-currency world. The article by pfunk ended by stating that posts promoting or linking to the likes of Bitconnect would be Down voted.
By now I felt that pfunk had not truly read any of my posts on Bitconnect. At this time I invite you @pfunk and everyone else interested in this discussion to read these posts as I have read the ones pfunk recommended. I ask this not to convince you as to whether Bitconnect is good or bad but rather to see the information contained within the post.
and here is a post by @jetiknight in response to the above posts that should also be considered.
Then there are some of the incredible responses that I received to my posts above to be considered.
by @artbysua
Good post, I "invested" a small amount into Bitconnect to see how it worked and even though I see it working as advertised there is one really important question that sticks out as a red flag and that is the issue you already mentioned with the owner structure being a secret.
That said, there are some things that I have yet to see any review take into consideration. The first is the biggest detail that seems to be ignored and that is the volatility software does not trade BCC. It trades based on the volatility of BTC & dollar. That's a huge difference. If it were trading BCC, I could see this system as being a ponzi or at least broken but by trading on volatility, it gives the system stability. In theory. To understand, let's compare Bitconnect to the Federal Reserve that is printing BCC out of thin air and selling it for BTC. Immediately Bitconnect is making a 100% profit. However as soon as someone lends their BCC, they are gaining twice the value for the term of the loan. This gives Bitconnect leverage to increase the volume the volatility software can trade. The practice is not uncommon in trading but by loaning back to Bitconnect, gives them much needed leverage to buy and sell. This is similar to how traditional banks use money you deposit.
Another detail I see being missed is that although they say " The interest rate that we can guarantee on your investment while using our investment platform is calculated by our BitConnect Price Volatility Software " the truth is there is no actually guarantee of daily interest. I think this statement is worded poorly because it is referring to the interest that have already been calculated in real time for that trading period. Also people are misinterpreting their chart to be the guarantee when it clearly states "up to 40% per month" As you can see from the screenshot I provided of my account, there are days where there is no interest. And unless someone who can prove otherwise, even if you lend $1010 or more, 0% + .1% is still zero. It just so happens that BTC is pretty stable which makes loan investments relatively risk free while their software for tracking volatility has a proven track record. Surely if the company were to tank overnight, just as any company, investors would likely lose their money. So despite it smelling fishy with the "guaranteed interest" that really isn't saying that and the lack of transparency which is a major red flag, there is no actual evidence that they are scamming anyone. To the contrary nobody has said they have lost money. Yet. But then if it were a real ponzi, we wouldn't know about it until people lose their money right? So what are you going to do? Play into your fears until more information comes out? That's for everyone to decide for themselves but people really shouldn't be calling something illegal when there's only indicators not evidence of being a scam.
Research volatility trading for a better understanding.
https://tradingsim.com/blog/how-to-trade-volatility/
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/how-does-volatility-surface-work-in-market-practice.282853/
https://volatilitytradingstrategies.com
https://www.math.nyu.edu/faculty/avellane/harcourt.pdf
With investments, there is always the possibility of losing everything. Especially with investments that are dependent on the fiat system. Educate yourself but don't be paralyzed by fear. Avoid giving into excitement and make investments your comfortable with and can afford to lose.
Then there is this comment by @melowilo in regards to possibly the most interesting aspect of Bitconnect and its trading software,
Hey, there is a good chance this is a scam, but what convinced me personally to invest a tiny little bit is that I played with automatic trading systems with forex trading in the past. It is possible for a good auto trading software to get good returns like this on a very volatile currency that Bitcoin certainly is. Some days auto trading systems will fail, and I think what they are doing looking at the days there is almost no interest paid, is they just autokill the software to stop trading on the days the formula don't work. Ironically the zero paydays convinced me more than the paydays :) I'm taking my seed money out asap and hope for the best with the rest and manage risk.
Then @altcointrends left us this question to ponder on about Bitconnect:
"How many Ponzi schemes have a currency backing them?"
Hopefully after reading these posts, responses and comments we can all at least agree that being better informed in any decision making leads to wiser choices and that the lack of information through censorship, which flagging or down voting can be, is not conducive to better decision making.
I fully understand pfunk 's argument that any type of crypto-scam makes all crypto look bad. I hope that Bitconnect is not going the way of Mt. Gox and others, and I hope that no one loses anything, but I also don't want to miss out on a possibly good investment based on argumentative fear. Yet, I also agree that steemit should not be used for nefarious purposes and that sometimes the community needs to "police" itself. Obviously plagiarism and other types of theft should not be rewarded, but using the threat of censorship veiled through Down Voting, in my opinion is also harmful to a place like steemit that claims to be censorship free.
Please let me know what you think? For now I have removed any Bitconnect referral links from my blog here on steemit.
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I gave you a 100% upvote... It's not much tho :P You deserved it.
Also, I think you made a really good point on everything. Even tho I did not try Bitconnect, I will do some research on it.
Btw
"I felt lobtailed and immediately wondered if @pfunk had picked on someone their own size like @craig-grant or @trevonjb . I don't mean to throw them 'under the bus,' but I am a small Dolphin, and pfunk is a whale backed by other powerful accounts either owned by pfunk or on good terms with them. Craig and Trevon are heavies when it comes to discussing Bitconnect here on Steemit, and I am sure they take advantage of using their referral links for Bitconnect."
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Just don't mind them... or strike back hard;)
Yes this is a problem i got a simular message when all i have was an link in my post and i see it all the time on steemit it seems that the same rules don't apply to all go through this all the time Pixabay is recommended free picture site of steemit i got flagged for using a picture from Pixabay the harrassment that is given by whales makes steemit a site that is more in favor of the big and craps on the small to medium user people say bitconnect is a ponzi pyramid scheme but steemit feels the same way where the early user can release BS post and make large amounts on money while people who actually post valuable content wont even get many looks on their post.
Man I feel for you, but there are a lot of heavy hands on here who don't like Bitconnect and will flag any post about it! One of my friends on here got flagged all the way down to rep 1 and had to work his way back up to 60!
Just be careful my dog.
wow as a minnow I felt kinda overwhelmed ... but am not sure as why ... PLEASE DON'T HURT me!!!! :'((( ...;p;
Upvoted and also resteemed :)
Readers should also do their due diligence as well before investing in any schemes mentioned in Steemit.
Nicely compiled and insightful information @streetstyle. Why remove your referral link?
Thanks for the support @reko
As for my referral link for Bitconnect, I did take it down for now. I don't want to cause anyone grief, I don't want anyone to lose anything, and I definitely don't want to make Steemit look bad. So since at this point Bitconnect is still not 100% verified or vetted, I will leave it out.
But things are subject to change and I just might put it back if I see that I and others are receiving our initial seed money while still receiving our accrued interest payment. This still won't confirm whether Bitconnect is a ponzi or not but at least this will show to me and others that it meets its obligations. We shall see.
full steem ahead!
ps. if you are interested @reko let me know and I can send you my referral link. Thanks
Found the reason.
" I used to have a referral link on here but a big whale didn't like it so for now I am leaving them out."
nice post I'm learning a lot about online businesses thanx for sharing
Not sure what to think of your response/article. One thing I really don't like is someone small being picked on by someone large.
I upvoted you just for that. Good luck.
BitConnect's mathematics shows it is a MLM structure. Good for those that got in early but it is not sustainable
You are entitled to your opinion @jetblake
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I mean, the mathematics of the modern banking system show they take over 99% of the profits, so bitconnect is not at all unrealistic. It might be a scam, but it might be legit, only time will tell.
Bitconnect makes me so nervous. I did invest $100 to see what happened, and I have been happy with the results so far on my return.
Yes, the referral program makes this seem like it is only a Ponzi scheme. But, maybe it is really just a clever way to garner interest in the coin. It is more than the lending platform, there is a proof of work and proof of stake aspect to the coin also. The whole ecosystem uses a great idea with the volatility trading. This is something that the big investment banks do. I think it is great that the average person can get in on it too.
Only time will tell if this is a scam or a well executed platform. Until then, I think we should all be respectful of the investment decisions of others. I see no reason to flag content about Bitconnect at this time. There is no evidence of there being anything amiss here.
Thanks for the input @mombliss Please keep us updated. My friend also did a small amount, and every some days he is re-investing his daily interest. It takes a several days for him to get to $10, that is the minimum you can re-invest after the initial startup investment/loan. He seems to doing well too.
It has been going really well. I actually realized the best part of the platform today. It is getting people interested in cryptocurrencies who may not have ever entered the space before.
My husband has gotten a few referrals, and it is awesome to guide people through buying Bitcoin to exchange for BitConnect Coin and make their first loan. And all of these people are so excited to get out there and get more people on the platform.
I think that BitConnect is doing a great service by having such a broad spectrum platform surrounding their coin. I am happy to be a part of the ecosystem. We are also staking coins in the wallet too. It starts paying interest after 15 days in the wallet.
I am loving it!
@mombliss Do you know more or less what at what interest rate it averages out to when staking coins?
This is a table of the BitConnect Coin Staking Interest. All you have to do is download the BitConnect-QT wallet and transfer BitConnect Coin to it. After 15 days, it will start minting coins. Below is a table of the BitConnect Coin Staking Interest. The interest decreases every six months. Right now, it is 8% per month. The wallet can also be unlocked to mine BitConnect Coin.
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It is good that you have removed bitconnect links from the blog, we cannot tell the business is a scam or legit till it runs away.
yes but that is like putting someone in prison until proving that they are guilty, oh that's right, it is already done this way too!! oh well.
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