I noticed that this post I did yesterday has amassed a lot of votes, but most of them are tiny. A lot of these people only have a few hundred SP, so their vote is equivalent to less than a new user. I did get a significant vote from whale hendrikdegrote, so I wonder if they are trying to cash in on that. Even so, the curation rewards would be practically zero. Even I rarely get more an 0.1 SBD curation rewards, but I tend not to vote 100% very often as I like to spread my votes.
I am grateful when people vote on my posts, but don't expect that I will look at what you do because of it. I judge people by their comments.
I would think that minnows would be better off strategically giving bigger votes to a few posts, but that still might not make them much. Give your votes to what you find good. They can make more from good comments. When I say 'good comments' I mean some that really relate to the post and add to the conversation. I get a lot that do neither of those.
I realise that a lot of these people are not native English speakers, but to get my attention they need to avoid things that look insincere. e.g.
- 'I wait for your next post'. Have you nothing else to do?
- 'This is a valuable post'. Well it's really just me posting about my life.
- 'Thanks for sharing'. Very generic. Everything we do here is sharing.
- Comments that ask about some aspect of the post that could be answered by clicking an included link.
- Echoing parts of the post back at me with nothing much added.
Some of these people are making hundreds of comments each day in hope of a vote. I really do recommend finding people who share your interests so you can have a real discussion with them rather than just trying to get a comment on every post out there. Just because I've built a high reputation does not mean I have time to respond to dozens of comments and I will tend to look at those either from people I already know or those what show that you are really interested in what I do. The rest are likely to be ignored and anything really spammy WILL be flagged.
I'm just a regular guy with not enough time :)
By the way, I see the Steemit Alexa rank is still falling. I really hope it can recover soon. It was in the top 1000 in March. It deserves to be up there again.
Steem on!
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If this post is over seven days old you can vote up one of my newer posts to reward me.
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In the past I did not vote my own comments and threads because I considered it ludicrous.
Then, I kept not doing so, to allow and encourage people curation rewards and to get a chance at gentelbot and thing-2.
Then, after I learned the implications of a higher SBD and experienced over 6 months of cheapery with the exception of a generous vote by idealist (I had a few more since then), and after I mastered bidbotry I decided fuck upvotes by other people.
It is not worth it and never was.
It might had been worth it before I joined, but not in the last 12 months.
Well you have forfeited a vote from me by buying votes. I could even be tempted to flag this comment to bring the value down, but I'll resist, this time. You may be losing out on other votes by doing this and it's a long, slow way to build your sp
buying votes from bots makes you lose money, every bid.
the vote you buy gets eaten up during payout
You got a 35.65% upvote from @luckyvotes courtesy of @stimialiti!
@youtake pulls you up ! This vote was sent to you by @stimialiti!
You got a 24.40% upvote from @steembloggers courtesy of @stimialiti!
@steevc those are not all minnows... one I looked up (I only looked up one lol) is worth over 1.5 million...that my friend is not a minnow..
Then I saw the name of another one that is maybe a minnow I did not look but I am happy when they upvote me.
So maybe the question would be, "Why so tiny the upvotes?" I think the answer is a lot of people are subscribed to vote bots.
resteemed in case someone has question are comments...btw I expect minnows to upvote my post if they comment no matter how little their vote is worth. :)
I know pharesim is a whale, but most of the rest are small. I expect a whale to give small votes. There are all sorts of strategies going on here. I ain't worry too much about what I will get for voting. You need a lot of sp to make much from curation. Making connections does you more good when you start off
I think I can give some insight as to why people give such small upvotes. I used to do this. At the time I wanted to give upvotes to quality submissions in introduceyourself. I wanted to give as many upvotes as possible so I gave small percentages. I did not realize that the help I was giving was so insignificant, even to a new person.
I've nothing against sincere voting, but when it comes in a flood like this I have to suspect there's automation involved.
Regardless, I think the decision to do so comes from the same faulty logic: They think the best way to have the most impact is to make many infinitesimal upvotes. If you want to use automation then you can pick people who consistently do well and allocate a larger percent to them.
it is, they come at exactly the same time, which also pushes away real curators
What you need to understand though is that minnows are already overwhelmed by Steem information in their first month. Most come from other user friendly platforms and just try to make some money.
By the time they understand they should not comment like the examples you posted, some of them will already have been flagged to oblivion, cuz this is steemit.
I think it might get better, but there is also the non English speakers that are trying to squeeze some cents here & there too by dropping copy pasted comments over and over.
On the other hand, the people that makes it big on steemit are the one that participate actively on and out the platform, not the vote beggars.
So heh. Hope they learn before it's too late for them.
I've tried to guide some of them to do better. We need more active users. A lot of people make a bad start and trash their accounts
As far as the comment spam, you might want to check out steemplus addon for chrome/firefox. It lets you designate people as 'Human,' 'Bot,' 'Spammer.'
Hypothetically flagging people in this sincerity database will clue other people in that this person probably sends out 1,000 a day so don't bother.
Picture related,
I would assume that the small votes are a curation trail.
The most I've ever made off curation for a day was 0.14SP, i was pretty happy :D
But if someone follows multiple trails they may be downscaling their vote proportional to the leaders vote in weird ways so that could explain some microvotes that don't really make sense. Idk how reputation works, does it at least give you a small boost there?
Edit: Song for the bots, https://soundcloud.com/nick_1-1/ghost-in-the-shell-stand-alone-complex-ost-scott-matthew-be-human
I use Steem Plus. It thinks I'm 99% human :) This is a good way to spot bots and spam quickly
I suggest to change nice post to nice pizza at least. Lower chance being ignored.
#nicepizza
But what flavour pizza?
Just pizza. It's the universal non triggering term
My guess is that the three comments above (since moved down the list) didn’t read your post. I’m not sure what is up with the 0.8% upvotes. As a 56, I’m happy to get any upvotes, but I’m not sure what their strategy is. Seems like spreading the peanut butter a little too thin.
im guessing .001 isnt profitable unless you got 125 bots. 125 times .001 is profitable. and they dont care if it offends post authors.
As @schrosct mentions, these are likely to be a curation trail. I get a stream of these votes from @thesteemengine when I'm mentioned in their newsletter. I to have had the option to subscribe to this and be one of those small voters although I havent done it yet.
They recommend you use around 1% vote as there may be many articles to vote up, this is to stop your VP from draining too much. If they were immediately followed by a whale vote, then that's probably what this is.
Hi Steve - all the little votes I believe are part of the Curie curation trail.
You got a 'mini-Curie' - most of the voting power for the trail comes from @hendrikdegrote
I did wonder. All those tiny votes probably only add up to a few cents and I just don't see that they will make anything from it as the curation rewards will be less than 0.001. I've not looked into these things too much as I prefer the human touch. I was using some trails, but I dropped them as they were using my vote on posts I wouldn't support.
That is why I dropped using curation trails, they upvote some stuff that I would not normally vote on also. I like to vote on a post and then leave a comment or ask a question. Hopefully, it will start a conversation in the comment section among some of the commenters. I think it is more about the conversation than anything and in the end that will get you more upvotes as you go along on your Steemit journey.
Yes I think that will be the case. Particularly on these mini-Curies.
I'm still doing my own Upvote and I love every one of it, because I will have to read the post before I vote and that have given me so much satisfactions of reading good posts!
Resteeming this as well! Thanks @steevc
I just came across this post @steevc. Could this be your answer? 😢
https://steemit.com/steemit/@firedream/another-way-of-milking-the-system
Sometimes, all I really want is for people who read my post is to engage by making good comments, just like you said.
Imagine taking time to vlog and edit and you only get one view or comment. I guess it takes time to reach that level.
I shall keep steeming, I love this space too much
I totaly agree that there are a lot of spam comments out there @steevc.I've seen people spamming worthless comments on every post.They do not bring anything to the discussion and people that do that should get punished because they bring this trash everywhere and don't even read the posts.All they care about are upvotes that they eventually might get.However I cannot agree with this part of your post:
'I wait for your next post'. Have you nothing else to do?
'This is a valuable post'. Well it's really just me posting about my life.
'Thanks for sharing'. Very generic. Everything we do here is sharing.
Personally most of the time I try to make comments on point and bring something into discussion but sometimes I just write short comments for sake of supporting content creators.I don't think that commenting your followed artist even with stuff like "Interesting thoughts,keep up your great work etc." is that bad.As long as you don't spam all over the platform,letting content creators know that you enjoyed their post is somehow supportive in my opinion.So anyway:this was a valuable post,I wait for your next post and thanks for sharing😂😂
Have a great day sir🤗
The problem is, how do I distinguish your honest opinion from a copied spam comment unless I know you? If the comment shows they actually read the post then I'm more likely to take it seriously.
You are totaly right sir.That's why Im trying to never write short comments under new creators that I just discovered.Even if I would just be nice and appreciate someone's effort in writing post they could take me like spammer and just ignore or even downvote.That's why the only people that sometimes get short approval comments from me are those who I "know" for a little and I commented their content a couple of times before.I didn't really express my thoughts clearly in my previous comment.Sorry if you misunderstood me but as we can clearly see sometimes I have hard time writing in english since it's not first or even second language that I started to learn.Anyway I totaly agree with your statement about spammers and all I wanted to point out was the fact that short comments are not always made by spammers.Thanks for your response.
As I don't have much time I'm not going to check out every person to see what they do so I will have to ignore comments that look like spam even if the person really did like what I did. Don't worry about voting for me as I want you to use you votes where they make a difference.
I was thinking the other day, the amount steem might be worth in some of these other countries might be a factor as well. For some, 1 or 2 steem/SBD could be enough to live off for a month. Not that it justifies these horrible comments, but I can see why some might be tempted to leave a higher quantity of comments over fewer quality ones; especially if they are new and English isn't their primary means of communication.
I know the money makes a bigger difference to some people, but I still think it should be earned. Maybe in time people will form more regional communities where they can chat in their own language. I know there's a big Korean presence here, but I may not even see those posts.
The whole spam accounts thing seems to be getting out of hand @steevc. A friend of mine joined Steemit a couple of weeks ago and was really excited because they got over sixty followers in the first ten days.
When I checked for her, every single one was spam of some sort.
I've only been here since last December and that's a big change since then. 😢
It will change again when it really starts to grow. I fear the spam will be a real problem unless we get the tools to deal with it.
I'm just amazed at how much it's changed, and keeps chaning for the worse, in the short time I've been here.
The latest seems to be people just posting comments on posts so they can self-upvote. I just had someone do that with three consecutive replies to the tune of more than $1. I've muted them and reported them to Steemcleaners but I'm not sure they are actually doing something that's not allowed #sad;
Anything is 'allowed', but it's a case of what will be tolerated by the community
And "quite a lot" is the answer I feel. 😁
Have a lovely Bank Holiday Monday!
It came to my attention also about the loads of small upvotes. I couldnt believe it has to do with any curration rewards because the rewards are just to small. Couldnt find out the real reason but Im convinced it indeed is automated. The nothingsaying comments keeps comming, I decided to leave them for what they are...nothingsaying :)
Have a great night !!
It seems we were asking the same question at the same time :)
I also noticed that on some of my posts. Can't explain it either.
Regarding the Alexa rank, it would be interesting to look at the rank of other sites like busy.org. Maybe Steemit looses at the benefit of other platforms.
I looked at them a while back. Some are getting good views, but Steemit is well ahead of them all. That may change in time as Steemit Inc want there to be alternatives.
And do you know why Steemit Inc wants alternative? They are afraid to not be able to manage all the new users?
That's part of it, but they also have limited development resources and I think they prefer to concentrate on developing the blockchain side. It's great that we have so many options already.
Thanks for the info! I didn't know all that. Yes it's great, the different options are almost infinite!
Some new steemian are being taught that they have to comment in every post they visit whatever the subject is.
There is a negative side of it. May be a blooger get boring by seeing those and ignore a real commenter. Seemit have no personal message inbox. otherwise they can be warned by messages.
Fascinating and interesting post, I think those that write meaningful comment on post should be encourage with some upvote in other for them to continue to post valuable comments @steevc
We each decide what deserves reward on our own values. I vote to reward good stuff and encourage them to keep going
Sometimes you will get the tiny votes flooding. It has the feel of a bot army I must say.
Seems it can be profitable if coordinated with a big vote. Steemit need to fix issues with giving accounts to scammers. Their vetting process does not seem to be effective
There are so many things in Steemit that could be fixed technically - I think I would like to see some of them done. As for vetting it is a difficult work.
This is a generic reply. It took me many seconds to write it so please upvote.
Now I have to decide if this deserves anything, but then I know you are having a laugh with me
Sorry man, mischief got the better of me
It's strange to see.
I think if someone having low voting Power and he is giving votes of 1% or 10% or what ever, these people shouldn't give upvote instead of low voting. Most of them are Spammers. Who Comments on every post and give a little upvote just for attendance. They mostly don't Read the full Blog.
By the Way, I Hope That Steemit Alexa Rank will also Cover Soon. I Always Hope For Best.
I have been wondering this for a little while now. I had a post I'd written the other day receive 123 upvotes, for a grand total of $0.82. I noticed the votes coming in and wondered what was going on, and was left rather confused. I assume it must be some sort of curation trail?
We are very grateful for what has been given to us, we also try to get involved as well as we hope to be able to vote. This is also an endeavor for us...
I agree with you
Curation trails are evil. As much as bid bots.
Real manual voting is the ideal, but this is an open platform where people will try alternatives. I expect it's a few people making most of the money from trails.
Yes, it's a shame. There will always be some workaround that will allow votes buying and automation.
People don't see high gains on their posts are an illusion when they use bots.
God post
Exactly the wrong sort of comment
nice post my dear friend
@steevc, they did not even read your post about spamming. hahahaha.
And also may be they will not see the reply of yours. So you can happily keep flagging them or hire me as a assistant of yours to do that flagging (with salary) :-D
I wonder if they will notice the flag. I did warn them
Interesting is your publications. REGARDS
Why?