Steemit is not Tsu

in #steemit9 years ago

I know a fair few people on Steemit were previously on Tsu. The site has been changed to a static message now, but for a while it was looking like the future of the web, much as Steemit does now.

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Tsu was kicked off in late 2014 by a company with offices in New York. They had a charismatic CEO in Sebastian Sobczak. He managed to get lots of high profile media coverage for this social site that would give most of the advertising revenue to users. What you earned was based on views of your posts, so you needed some combination of lots of followers and shares by popular people. You also earned a percentage of that made by anyone you recruited and a diminishing percentage from those recruited by your network.

For a while it was looking really good with millions signing up. Of course the incentive to recruit helped that and many who joined never really did anything. The majority were never going to make much as you need a lot of views on ads to make anything. A very few people made thousands. They managed to sign up some assorted celebrities at the start, but most of those did not stick around too long. For some of them the potential earnings might not be enough to justify their time and they could reach a much wider audience on other services.

By the time it closed down last year I'd managed to make over $200. I withdrew $200, but I also spent a lot on buying music and art from other users as well as donating to charities. Charity was a big part of Tsu. Verified charity accounts had the potential to make a lot of money and I know some did. I don't consider my time wasted there as I made a lot of friends and had fun.

Tsu shut down when their investors pulled out. I suspect that the 10% of ad revenue that they kept just wasn't enough to cover costs and the prospects were not looking good.

I think I joined Steemit almost immediately after Tsu shut down. I was attracted by several factors:

  • No adverts. Steemit does not rely on advertisers at all.
  • Using cryptocurrency. This is obviously a hot topic these days. I'd been looking into Bitcoin etc and this looked like a cool way to earn some crypto. Those running the Steemit site and hiring developers are funded by the Steem they make. Those in at the start had the opportunity to build up enough SP to guarantee them a good income.
  • Decentralised. Using a blockchain means there's no private database behind the site that can be shut down. As long as there are enough witnesses to make the blockchain work then it can't be killed off.
  • No central control. Although Steemit Inc has some licence over the branding of Steemit and largely decides the direction of development they do not moderate what people will see. It's up to users to flag bad content.

I wanted to point out some of the ways Steemit differs from Tsu. I'm having to think back to how Tsu worked. It's only a year, but things move so fast on-line that it's easy to forget some details. So please excuse any omissions and pick me up on any inaccuracies.

People complained about the 'favoured few' making all the money on Tsu. The founders and the top accounts could share a post and make it much more. Well a similar thing happens on Steemit except it's not purely about views. You only earn from votes and the whales can confer big rewards with their votes. There are 'curation guilds' and other groups who can have a big influence too with their collected SP. You will see certain names on the Trending page each day, but you really need the support of whales or guilds to get there. There's an incentive to vote on potentially popular posts to earn more, but this doesn't always favour smaller players even if their content is outstanding.

On Tsu you became influential by building a big following. That was likely to accelerate as people would follow 'celebrities' and this was partly in hope of getting followed back or gaining a share. On Steemit it's mainly about how much SP you hold. Some gained a lot in the early days from their posts or by buying it. Some will have done that then the price was really low, but I know some did so when the price was reaching all time highs of around $4. They still have a way to go to have a chance of recouping that investment.

Tsu allowed for a single image or video on a post. You saw a lot of 'pretty picture' posts and a lot of those were copied from elsewhere. Steemit encourages longer form posts with flexible formatting. It could do with a friendlier editor, but It's not that hard to learn some Markdown.

In the earlier days of Tsu various people had their accounts shut down after accusations of trying to game the system using scripts of bots. There is widespread 'click fraud' around the web anyway, but this was expressly forbidden by the Tsu terms. A lot of those people denied any wrongdoing. I really don't know if they had intentionally broken the rules or if their enthusiastic use of the site was mistaken for misuse. Or maybe they just upset the management in some way. Bots are pretty common on Steemit and are allowed. They can be used to tactically vote for maximum reward or to highlight plagiarism. I think it's should be humans doing the curation to ensure good content, but it's interesting to see how people explore the potential of bots.

I think flagging on Tsu would highlight posts and accounts for the team to check out and make a decision on. With Steemit it's purely the community doing this. If enough SP is behind the flags then a post will be hidden by default and the author may find their reputation sinking so they struggle to get anything seen. I know some feel this was unfairly done to them, but we've seen other whales step in to counter the flagging in some cases.

Steemit has not seen the rapid growth that Tsu had. In the case of Tsu a lot of that came from places like Pakistan after local celebrities joined up. Sites like this have massive potential to provide a good income for people in poorer countries, so that should be good thing. In the case of Tsu some thought it was a problem as ad views in such countries are worth a lot less than places like the USA, but it was still more money coming in. What we tended to see was a lot of 'comment spam' with comments that just said 'nice' when a like would mean as much. I think they applied filters to reduce this, but we still got a lot of pointless comments such as 'nc'. I think this was largely in the hope of getting a follow. I just don't do 'follow for follow' as I only follow those with good content. I had over 5500 followers when Tsu died, but this was meaningless as I doubt more than a few percent even looked at my posts. I have a lot less here, but I know a good proportion are active and I get very few spam comments.

On Tsu you could only withdraw your funds once you reached $100 and would have to wait whilst checks were made that you had not been breaking the rules. For most users this was going to take a very long time and I expect some didn't get paid if they were caught plagiarising or other wrongdoing. On Steemit you can withdraw as soon has you have some Steem or Steem Dollars. That can be transferred to an exchange in seconds and then it's up to you how you use it. You can trade for other cryptocurrencies or even get your local cash, although there are likely to be fees involved.

With any site like this there is going to be a 'dash for cash', but on both sites I've found great communities of people who are out to have fun and do good. The charity work on Tsu was amazing and I'd love to see more of that on Steemit. I'm not aware of many charities on here yet. Both allow for transfers to other users. I think Tsu planned to apply a small charge to those to supplement their income, but I'm not sure if they got to that. I was eager to see a market in Tsu$ for goods but it never got that big. Steemit has the same potential and we are starting to see some projects for that. It will always be free to transfer Steem, so we have an alternative to things like Paypal that works across borders.

Tsu had great potential, but the business didn't work out. Steemit transcends business and should be able to keep going forever. Even governments can't shut it down, but there's always the potential to block certain sites. You can already use Steemit via several different sites, so it's more robust. I don't know how easy it would be to block access to the blockchain, but Steemit seems more immune to censorship than any other service. It may be possible to use it via Tor or other encrypted, anonymised channels.

Steemit has a few challenges yet. They need to find ways to allow lots of people to sign up without having the available Steem drained by fake/bot accounts.

Anyway, there's a few thoughts. I'm interested to hear from other former Tsuvians on how you think Steemit is better or worse.

Tsu is dead, long live Steemit!

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I'm guessing Tsu had some advantages over Steemit. Perhaps related to user friendliness and mainstream appeal?

My chief concern with Steemit is how it can attract the attention of non-crypto, non-geeky common folk. Like people in my own family, who might not even be motivated to earn coins.

Good question. This may be where Busy and other sites will help. They can have a more user friendly version

My thoughts exactly. Money alone is not enough to inspire and spread a culture.

Tell them it's a really difficult video game with great prizes

I am with you Mr G... well said..

TSU was centeralized and came with all the drawbacks that brings.

"...like people in my own family who might not even be motivated to earn coins." but nonetheless, may be attracted by a social media platform that doesn't harvest our personal details and preferences for exponential corporate profit. PS I was a Tsuvian back in the day :) Time to Shine sharp.jpeg

Never got into Tsu... But for what i see, steemit is way better... :D

Tsu was a great concept, but they failed to live up to potential. Imagine if Steemit had millions of users!

I can imagine WHEN steemit is going to have millions of users! (it will happen some day)... I think my imagination isn't enough :D

Steemit.com will only have that many users if it shapes up and starts deliver a better user interface with new features. Busy.org or beta.chainbb.com possibly could pull it off.

Maybe that was their problem, they only have a single source of revenue. With steemit, everyone in the platform gives value to the community and if that million users will arrive in the platform, its value will risely shoot up and thats without ads.

Yes this is it's strenght, but I can vouch that a lot of users on Steemit/Busy/chainbb are constantly drawn back to their old social media hubs because of the lack of features here.

Money won't be enough to keep users engaged, although I sure am already.

I remember having problems to sign up on steemit - some glitch with facebook sign in? Don't really remember.

Actually The following on tsu never gave me much. Posts still got like 30-50 views even with 17k followers. Most of what I made on tsu came from my network. I do remember people's frustration about favoritism and KH's cloud pics would appear in every category on the title page, haha. At some point I started avoiding the love group after Kevin wrote me to spam his group lol.

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If tsu's investment wasn't drained, slaughtered and driven against the wall like it was, It really would have made an impact on the big networks and many of us former tsuers would have a business to run now. But seeing what is happening with youtube and ads being pulled off the platform and what crypto offers, It's good it was over and not relying on ad money is awesome because you create your own worth with friends and fans.

I enjoy seeing several familiar faces do well on steemit. Everyone can do well + even if Steemit was over any time soon - knock on wood, we got introduced to crypto and trading which, for many of us, seemed like dark magic containing algebra.

This is great hahaha

O, hey you! :)

Well hey you.. how are you? You were quite popular on tsu.. I will pop over and see what you are up to. :)

Im good and yourself? I've been on steem for a while but just recently went active again after my acount's worth multiplied by 10

I signed in .. left for 8 months then came back because now I know how to post photos...lol

Sign-up has long been an issue with Steemit, but I know they are working on it. As new users get some Steem they don't want people bulk creating accounts.

It is a gentle introduction to crypto. If the market in goods for Steem takes off that will be another reason to join up

I had been publishing on some weird website out of Indonesia and got an add for Tsu so I gave it a try. to tell the truth I was less than impressed! Steemit is much, much better!

The community of Tsu made it fun for me, but I've moved on now. Steemit fixes a lot of the issues it had.

Short and sweet I hope in answering this @steevc

Tsu was pretty pictures, mostly not taken by the individuals, therefore not their own content, popularity rating was evident and many just went out hunting down followers.

SteemIt so far, I have found interesting original content, major difference. No speed posting since you need a longer format explaining the topic in question. IMHO Steem attracts more discussion, it is not just liking something and moving on to make a quick buck. The information found here has been beneficial and of good character.

Curated works fall into curated section helping with sourcing information easier, knowing the person did not write the content but found interesting content to share.

The closest unpaid quality sites I have found over the years of good standing was Posterous and in Medium. Medium is still a great place to visit and use.

Thanks for the comment. I am more interested in words than just pictures, so I have not bothered with some of the other paying sites. I find plenty of interest here. I have to say I've not got into Medium, but I know it's big.

I was on Tsu too, it never really captured my imagination the way steemit has, but it was a great idea for it's time!

I think they missed their chance. I wonder if we will see Sebastian back with something else, but he lost the trust of many of that community.

I'd actually forgotten about it until I joined steemit, then I thought I'd check out how it was and it was gone, i never cashed out but I really never earned enough to justify a cash out anyhow.

glad you are here... I was at tsu too.

At least I took some out, but it was a tiny amount compared to what I've made here. I've not spent much Steem yet, but I plan to make use of some of it.

I'm keeping my crypto as savings, I cashed out of bitcoin a couple of years ago so you can imagine how I feel about that now

Nobody really know where crypto will go. You need good nerves to stay in

yep, that's for sure

So it's brother ... steem on

Hmm, I actually had never heard of Tsu before. But anyways it's good that you think Steemit is going to stand the test of time.

There are lots of sites that never quite reach general awareness, but I think had better marketing than Steemit. Let's see if that changes

I've never eard about Tsu before to start here on Steemit, but reading some articles about it, I think Steemit has some points that capture my attention more than Tsu ;)

I think Steemit addresses some of the issues Tsu had. I have more confidence that it will be around for a long time

I was in tsu it pays so little that I just run from there, wasting of time !

I think you have to do these things if they are fun. Easy money is hard to find :)

I enjoyed my time on TSU a lot. I saw mostly original content on TSU, maybe because of the community groups I was active in. I see more unoriginal content here, especially in the feed of new posts. But I expect that will change when Steemit gets communities, too. And I see original content in my feed, because I choose to follow people who focus on original content.

When I first came to Steemit, I made a post that compared the two systems: 10 Things I Like About Steemit. I posted it on the TSU Veterans Facebook pages. I've enjoyed seeing more TSU veterans come to Steemit. I think they will do well because they do focus on original content and many are great photographers, too.

Tsu had a great community and some cool features, but it didn't work out. There were those who tried to cheat it, but I think most of them didn't gain from it. Steemit has the potential to be better if the community use it as intended.

I agree that Steemit has a lot more potential. It's been interesting to see the issues get worked out, or reworked sometimes. Steemit has been a lot more open about the issues. I think the witnesses are a big part of what keeps out concerns part of the evolution of the whole system. TSU didn't have anything like that.

I was on Tsu, also and when Tsu gone I find Niume, made some posts and earn some revenue from posts, than find Steem :). Few days ago visit Niume again and there's the message that they can't offer revenue to authors any more...sad..sad...seems that revenue sharing is not good business model...let's see what will be in crypto world where Steem belongs...

good point

I don't think the advertising model works for this,but steemit doesn't need it

agree, here's different business model...crypto...something completely new

Crypto can seem magic, but it's not much different to mining gold or some other scarce commodity.

Haha, true, or searching diamonds :)
anyway, I'll try to be active here, because I own a portion of ICN tokens and Steem is a part of Iconomi cryptovalues basket...

I was a member of Tsu, I got a lot of friends there. I agree with everything you have written. I'm just sorry I've been lost on various networks and I have not come to Steemit before.

When a site shuts down you can lose contact with people. I hope that won't happen with Steemit.

We all found ourselves on other networks, fortunately. Steemit is the future...

@steevc I can't find my previous comment to you when I resteemed your post...so this may be a duplicate...LOL>> great job my friend!

Cheers. Steemit is picking up. Thousands of new users today

they heard @uwelang @jujowa and @steevc are here. haha

Not thinking about tsu anymore, steemit way better in all aspects. On tsu i met a lot great users, community was awesome. The model did fail. Resteemed

I've just heard some people comparing them. They may not realise that Steemit fixes a lot of the issues Tsu had.

Exactly - am also confident they are prepared to handle influx of spammers (just because of the system) - what tsu was ahead are communities - they struggled with it - this will be one of the next features here so hope this will be better handled here.

I would hope so. They can learn from what other sites have done. Lots of new people just joined up and they will want to see features

I agree. It looked to me like Tsu and crew were burning through their cash fast. I'm glad you and @steevc kept posting about Steemit. You guys helped convince me to try it here :)

nc

Joking.
Very interesting post. Was nice to read, thank you!

Hello, @steevc
I was also a TSU-member. What you have written, I have also experienced in the TSU community. I joined in November 2015 with great hopes. Having collected my first 7 dollars with sweaty work, a cheater removed it from my wallet. I was desperate for the first time, but then I got in full force again. I got back the lost 7 dollars, not from the cheater, but from my friends who gathered me without asking anyone for that. I still have contact with many Tsu-veterans on Facebook and here on Steem. I knew from Daniel - @homeartpictures - that there is a great community, named Steemit. I registered in January 2017, and in the first few weeks I have achieved serious results. And not just financially! (though I have almost 5,000 value in my account). What's best about motivating and helping each other. Daniel has been helping me since then, if I ask for it. For example, how to exchange my Steem into Bitcoin, and then Euro. Now I have some basic income from Steemit, and this is a good start to becoming independent.

Good to hear. It seems people are earning much better here. Tsu had a good community and some of them are here. I think Steemit has a better future

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