Change is needed in Steemit for progress.
Justin Sun, I wish You do what you think right.
They don't represent all stakeholders of Steem community.
They got SP with ninja mining.
They don't have a right to freeze SP Justin Sun bought.
I, as a one million sp stakeholder who bought steem coin, support your change.
It is time to change for further progress.
It is fine to disagree. Is that the reason you tried to manipulate witnesses?
https://beta.steemit.com/sct/@oldstone/5pxqhx
Build a global community, have 20 witnesses to agree on your agenda, get the technical and social know how of a blockchain, come back and do your own soft-fork if you can.
Until then .....
shut up you self-voter!
I am with you @slowwalker and with new changes - we need better future for all users...
Thank you
we go together
Welcome Back, slowwalker! It’s nice to see you again!
Justin Sun is Bringing to All investors hope for improvement!
We all are steemit!
Thank you
Hello @slowwalker, good to see you posting again. Do you know who else got some of the ninja mined Steem? Is there a way we can check. Thank you.
This isn't about the ninjamine stake per-se, only in regards to Steemit Inc. They planned it, which is completely different as if you were just part of the early miners by discovering a post on bitcointalk.org.
yes, maybe. I still can't totally get my head around it. But someone who exploited a flaw, that was planned by someone else, is still unethical?
Nobody else could ninjamine besides Steemit Inc.
Imagine the following scenario:
You're taking part in a car race. There is going to be a reward, but there is no knowledge about how much you can win. You participate anyway.
The person who organized the event & gives out the reward, is also driving in the race.
Once the race started, you seem to be in a good spot. You're not the first, but also not the last. The owner of the race though, has this incredibly maxed out car, probably worth a million dollars.
Suddenly, the owners car stops. You're not sure what happened, but you continue to drive anyway.
However, there is a message being broadcasted about the race having to be restarted. You're furious. How can this be? You suspect that the owner decided to restart it. You decide to drop out of the race as you're not sure whether there will actually be a reward at the end.
Seemingly, quite a lot of people had similar thoughts as you and the race lost a lot of participants. You think to yourself, that the owner of the race has it even easier now, since there are less people participating.
In the end, you decide to never take part in races from this owner again.
This, basically, is the story of the ninjamine.
Now, I ask you: if another person participated in the race and finished it, is there a difference between the owner of the race & that participant?
What I don't get is how these early miners are somehow entitled to some share of the blockchain before it ever became anything worth mentioning, am I missing something? I mean, Steemit coded the thing and one could easily assume that how they "roll-out" their token is completely up to them.
If people had issues with how they handled it back then, surely they had every freedom to opt out of any kind of investment into it. And if people entered into this later on, being aware of this "ninja mine", then, well, they knew what they were getting themselves into, take some eff'n responsibility. And if you invested without being aware, well, try to learn the lesson of thorough due diligence.
The "b.b. but they gave us a verbal agreement that they'd x,y, z with their ninja mined stake..." as the reason to stick with it from the beginning comes across as a sucker being suckered, at best. Unfortunately for the rest of us small fries on this blockchain, you're a bunch of entitled suckers, who're probably going to bring even more negative attention to the blockchain as a whole, if not outright legal action against the most integral nodes of this network.
I hope my gut is wrong on this one, but I really feel like this action started a fire that will have this whole thing burning down in flames. I knew from the beginning that the odds were high that the collective greed of higher SP holders would ultimately kill this blockchain, but I never envisioned it happening this way.
^ THIS.
They made it (almost) impossible to mine steem, outside inc, this dude berniesanders figured out the trick, he mined it. respect.
What is ‘ninja mining’?
https://steempeak.com/steemit/@aggroed/a-brief-history-of-the-ninja-mine
Thank you, @therealwolf
Do you fully understand the soft fork?
Actually the whole Steemit.Inc’s stake ( what Justin bought) is the ninja mined one
You're so right. They, the witnesses who support the soft fork, strongly infringed Justin Sun's own property right. Too BAD
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agreed
Who?
Some of witnesses
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I've given an example how that's different in my comment above, on this post.
We got your point, we're not stupid. But we still want names of the rest, tho.
We got your point, we're
Not stupid. But we still want
Names of the rest, tho.
- oldtimer
I'm a bot. I detect haiku.
Actually no differences among them
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@slowwalker, In my opinion this process is Reversible and i think that Steem Witnesses took this step because there are potential concerns regarding Witness Voting with Steemit Inc Stake. And let's hope that everything will be sort out in Town Hall Session. Stay blessed.
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Why should the new Soft Fork prevent future change?
Justin Sun doesn't need to vote for Steem Witnesses or Post Votes to bring positive change to Steem. We had the same agreement with Ned and Steemit.com as well they never voted for Witnesses or Posts.
I don't understand your agruement that this would stop the change that Justin Suns brings to Steem???
steemit stake should have been in some kind of public contract long time ago, that is where witnesses fucked up. did Ned said to Justin what the deal was, not sure. Am i happy with this not really. Lack of any communication was shitty.
Interested, would you be ok if justin voted 20 of his accounts and did the token swap and moved it all to tron?
Very few people beside Steemit ninja-mined anything.
JS needs lawyers and the gov to shut them down!!
exactly