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RE: Steemit - Value is Subjective

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Firstly, there is a current type of flagging method that is considered a sybil attack.

Considered by whom? This is outright absurd. And also an out-of-context misinterpretation of the whitepaper.

Steem was specifically designed so that using multiple accounts to vote affords no advantage. A sibyl attack is simply not possible.

Many users have multiple accounts because their steem power comes from mining (which requires you to switch accounts which recieve the rewards).. many other users (me for example) bought other peoples accounts.

the number of votes a post revieves has absolutely no significance. The only algorithm that it has ever effected was the "hot" feed, and that one was changed for precisely that reason.

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You have taken that line out of context. When using bots to flag posts, it is a sybil attack.

Firstly, there is a current type of flagging method that is considered a sybil attack. Manipulating the scoring of individual posts to better suit yourself, and doing so with multiple bots.

I don't think you understand what a sybil attack is. When someone is using multiple accounts under different names to sway the scoring algorithm, that is a sybil attack.

I don't think you understand what a sybil attack is. When someone is using multiple accounts under different names to sway the scoring algorithm, that is a sybil attack.

using multiple accounts does not sway the scoring algorithim.... its specifically designed to prevent that. Upvoting or downvoting with multiple accounts is not a sibyl attack. If you think it is, you misunderstand the whitepaper.

Listen, if you've created multiple attacks that all follow the same action of one, then that is the exact definition of a sybil attack. You are, in fact, manipulation the scoring algorithm for your own ends.

The whitepaper argues against this, yet they left the option to create automatic accounts open. It's one of the issues they address in the whitepaper and suggest their solution is staked voting, either way. Whether you're upvoting content with multiple bots, or downvoting them, you're engaging in sybil attack and manipulating metric data and rewards.

ive already explained to you twice why this is not a sibyl attack, and the white paper explained it again in the part youre talking about.

If you want to call it a sibyl attack, thats certainly your right. You can call A Pope Testosticlese the XXVII attack, that doesn't change that it isnt.

And no, that is not the exact definition of a sibyl attack. the defintion of A sibyl attack is where an attacker gains additional leverage on a reputation system by voting with multiple accounts beyond the leverage he would gain by voting with only one account....

thats why voting with multiple accounts is not a sibyl attack (on steem)-- because the "attacker" gains no additional leverage. Voting with 1 1000SP account is exactly the same as voting with 2 500SP accounts.

Through curation rewards, you gain additional leverage,

Once again, the definition of a sibyl attack is where you gain additional leverage by using more than one account than you would have had if you just used one account.

Curation rewards are exactly the same when voting with multiple accounts, and so is the amount you reward you give or take away.

Also, a sibyl attack is something thats made against the platform, not an individual user.

You really really don't understand the concepts youre trying to address.

You should ask dan what he thinks. Oh wait you already did... he told you that you were wrong.

The definition of A sibyl attack is where an attacker gains additional leverage on a reputation system by voting with multiple accounts beyond the leverage he would gain by voting with only one account.

Through curation rewards, you gain additional leverage, and also give or take away, additional leverage to those you issue said sybil attack on. You've proved my point. Thanks.

I meant that in relation to sybil attacks. You keep taking my words out of context in order to prove your point, which is counterproductive.

You've proved my point again, by the way:

The definition of a sibyl attack is where you gain additional leverage by using more than one account than you would have had if you just used one account.

Curation rewards are exactly the same when voting with multiple accounts, and so is the amount you reward you give or take away.

Curation rewards differ depending on the amount of vote weight you have, we all know this. So, if someone who has different vote weights, across multiple accounts, and who is engaged in collective voting with those accounts, they are essentially manipulating the reward pool for their own benefit, and that, by definition, is a sybil attack against the platform.

You need to think before responding again, or at least consider the entire sentence as it is, because your complete lack of reasoning has us repeating ourselves.