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Thanks Sebcam I talk about this stuff all the time to friends and family and anyone who will listen, cos they know not what they do, I will just keep slapping um till they listen, regards Gez.....

An alternative approach is don't say shit....... unless they ask. The "half-a-cup-of-water-theory" (when someone asks for a cup of metaphorical water ;) This requires less slapping.

Thanks I will remember that one! regards Gez