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7 years ago in #steemit by palikari123 (64)
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Thanks for sharing; your information is useful. I upvoted and resteemed. I also commented on @v4vapid and @ura-soul posts regarding this issue, and some of the same members that you mentioned. I feel much the same as you in this regard. Personally, I think that downvotes should only be downvotes and have no (or at least very minimal) financial, reputation or visibility effect. I'd suggest reserving flagging for pointing out illegal activity only.
It's going to be an interesting issue for the witnesses to sort out. The biggest problem comes with how everyone defines certain things like 'hate speech' and 'truth'. If you ask 100 people what their definitions are, you will probably get at least 20 different answers and definitions.
Yeah, killer important issues I'd say. To me, forget trying to determine whether or not something is 'hate speech' and 'truth'. Shouldn't even be an issue unless it's illegal. That's why we have laws - this stuff has already been sorted out there. No need to figure it out again. And it's certainly not a good idea to follow FB, Twitter or YouTube - ends up in obvious censorship. If it's not illegal, it should be protected as free speech. Otherwise you're faced with never-ending contentious issues to solve. Legal or illegal. 1 or 0. Clean and simple and protects free speech as is possible.
Although I mostly agree, I'm not so certain or convinced that it's simple. There are differences within laws depending on where you live. Which 'laws' would be applied? What would be considered 'legal' or 'illegal'. That becomes another can of worms?
If steemit becomes big, you will also have users trickle over from all of the other social media platforms where flagging and gangs are a lot more rampant. I could be wrong or ill-informed (I have never had a twitter or facebook account)......just my thoutghts
I agree with your message there. It is indeed a can of worms, but at least it is a known can of worms that can be reasonably, and objectively determined. The problem with hate speech is that beliefs of what 'hate speech' actually is varies widely from person to person, group to group. Same issue with 'truth'.
If Steemit becomes big like Facebook, it seems to me that it would be destroyed by scammers and everyone looking to make a buck. Not to mention this flagging/$power issue. I've seen comments by people saying that Steemit can't program it's way out of a wet paper bag. These sorts of fundamentals with such large flaws make me wonder what the heck they're doing. But as you said, just my thoughts.
Yes, stay tuned!
I'm starting to cop this crap now too. Same sock puppets working together.
@heather2000, @banjokid, @thinkingtime, @roccofalcone, @somenick, and likely a few others (like @ninjapiraterobot)
They seem to lead back to the @galactic123 account, and his @echowizard service.
Looks like @personz challenged him months ago about the behavior in this post here
We really should maintain a list of these accounts somewhere.
I know @v4vapid has also covered this, although this looks to be separate group.
It really sucks that they are continuing with this. It probably has a silencing effect on most users, and makes you think twice about leaving a comment in a post you know will be flagged.
From what I can see they are all a network related to/working with each other. @v4vapid is well aware of them.
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Thanks for the 'heads-up' on the bullshit entertainers!
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@palikari123 I am going to take your post and I will do a translation to Spanish. Your information is very important for people like me that we are arriving to Steemit. I recived a negative upvote too from @heather2000 and my post only talks about the felicity connotation that each someone has.
Go for it. Let your followers be aware. They are still going around and doing this to comments that are not even offensive to anyone.
Jeeesh, I just went through this one too @palikari123 , good details, thanks. Ending up following the breadcrumbs onto @v4vapid 's post about the circle jerk puppets. This is some serious bullshit...glad I have a greater awareness now and will do my best to draw attention to this problem/report to steemcleaners when i see it.
Ugh, and the rewards pool raping too...I hope the steemit devs are keeping their heads up, planning some counters. This sort of rot could literally destroy the platform before it gets out of beta.
I'm sure the devs are working on it. The best and only solution for the moment, is to report the obvious abusers and scammers to steemcleaners. Some of the whale flag wars that are going on are completely insane!
Have a look at @heather2000's spam history
Oh yeah it's huge, and so is @thinkingtime. You just need to look a little closer into all their posts. Even all the upvoters are scammers I think.
Thank you so much for noticing this...really appreciate it and it will help the community as whole!
V4 Look into the users who have downvoted your comment @brunass @flavioss.
@bruniass & @flavioss have spam everywhere & multiple one line comments in their history, with double figure rewards, where the post is basically worth nothing. There is a lot of collusion going on here with other accounts also.
https://steemit.com/@brunass/comments & https://steemit.com/@flavioss/comments
They know you are onto them, as they have started attacking your comments verbally as well as downvoting you systematically.
https://steemd.com/@brunass & https://steemd.com/@flavioss
More suspicious accounts:
https://steemit.com/@sandrino/comments
https://steemit.com/@claudialoureiro/comments
https://steemit.com/@sergioss/comments
https://steemit.com/@maristeem/comments
Oh sorry, just realised you already wrote a post about this...disregard
https://steemit.com/abuse/@v4vapid/sandrino-s-6th-day-sock-puppet-circle-jerk