Next you should make a video explaining the benefits of pushing veteran content producers away by encouraging others to buy votes so those who've been here trying to make something of this place no longer have the visibility they worked hard to earn over the span of two years.
Make a video explaining what I should do next because I don't know. Should I, as a veteran, buy votes so my work can be seen instead of these new members you're trying to "help"? I have the money. Should I just push my way to the front of the line? Should I power down and leave, like so many before me? What's the next step? Now that I know I'll never have the chance to advance or have my work reach the top of the charts, where do I go from here?
If these people you're trying to "help" last two years producing content, then want to stop buying votes, will you be around to prepare them for what's next? Will you tell them, after putting in so much time, effort and debt into this platform, they must eventually start at the bottom someday and begin to face the challenges they could have already overcome within two years? They'll have to sit and watch their work get pushed down the list into oblivion simply because there's no way out of this mess you're setting them up for.
Should those who've been working hard for two years now feel hopeless?
I've made 23300 SP through curating and posting. One would think that's a sign of success, but since I didn't buy my way up, I guess it's not success? Just dumb luck? Worked my butt off to the point of physical burnout multiple times and I'm viewed as someone who simply won a lottery?
Many people know me or know of me. I don't see those who've had an opportunity to support my work at some point but didn't vote over the past two years having a sudden change of heart and begin supporting my work simply because I buy a vote or two. I don't see how that makes sense. If they weren't interested before, placing $100 beside my post won't help.
I don't expect everyone to enjoy my work; never did, never will. That's life, especially in my field. I prefer a genuine response. I don't really trust people if I have to pay them to be my friend, fan or follower. Maybe on the surface, if I was purchasing votes, I'd look like I'm having a great time and doing a good job; but inside I'd be a mess.
I can't turn actual art into advertisements and buy laughs if I feel like being funny. The arts and entertainment industry generates billions of views and dollars every year. We come here and can't even compete with a picture of corn on the cob? I still don't see how sacrificing those billions is wise. Music for instance; huge draw. There were hundreds of musicians here eager to perform. Look at Youtube trending page. There's always a music video. These independent artists here are just as talented. Instead of that gracing the front page, we have your advertisement, Joe. "How to get rich quick online in three easy steps" nonsense. The ad people skip so they can hear the music. The infomercial nobody watches at 3 am. That's success? Pushing talent away puts smiles on faces these days? I guess I need to get out more. I had no idea the world has come to this.
My biggest concern though isn't about me or the countless individuals being pushed out. It's those new members, the majority of them, who won't know those OTHER posts at the top have FAKE rewards. How they will feel as if they've failed because their post only made a buck. How they'll compare their effort to the lackluster effort we see in promoted posts and think, after all that work, they're still not good enough. Will they stick around long enough to find out the truth or will they give up after feeling defeated? I think about THOSE people, Joe. The ones you don't realize exist. That's what I meant in your last post when I said you're actually making it more difficult for people. That comment received around 50 organic votes. Do you know how rare that is?
P.S. Please don't respond with more of your sales pitch. I've heard enough.
Vote bots help drive Steem's economy but also significantly reduce the quality of front page content.
I think you drank the bot Kool-Aid. Drive our economy?
That's what they want you to believe. More like destroy it. Have you ever take a look at how much abuse bid bots are sponsoring towards accounts that siphon Steem /SBD, power down and move the value as quickly as possible to fiat. For lower and lower cuz they don't give a shit about Steem or it's future. Cheat to win is in.
This is instead of sticking around, participating, making this place somewhere where people WANT to be that they would even invest. With less and less community and more and more meaningful votes going to the sellers, gonna see less and less money come in unless something drastic happens. Guaranteed.
You think that is good for our economy? Hell to the no.
"Vote bots help drive Steem's economy..." Where did you hear that? A vote bot advertisement perhaps?
If I sold votes, you bought steem, then gave it to me for a vote, and I sold it; we're right back where we started.
I don't have anything against promoting our post(s) (some let's say more special ones) here and there if for some reason we want to reach a wider audience for the particular topic, occasion, event or what so ever. But, I'll repeat - here and there - not constantly, not as default. And completely putting aside profitability of boosts through the bots on Steemit which is whole another story with quite an ugly face if we want to be honest.
(Besides and apart from Steemit, even Coca-Cola doesn't run their advertisements all the time on the same media or even in the same area. And allegedly they are the ones who invest 90% of their earnings into promotion and only 10% into the product.)
Never the less, what triggered me the most to write this reply is the following sentence.
I feel exactly the same regarding this matter! I have been around (Steemit) approximately the same amount of time as you did @nonameslefttouse and I didn't manage to collect even 10% of the SP that you did, but I still feel good!
But the fact is that not all people are capable to face with their true popularity or better to say unpopularity, and they would rather pay no matter to whom, why and how much (at least as long as they have some fresh funds for that) or even kiss (no matter how dirty somebody else's filthy rich) asses, just to keep living in their fantasy world. Unfortunately, that's how it is!
I agree with you 100% on this. Here:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@nonameslefttouse/turning-rage-into-the-soothing-steem-now-blowing-out-my-butt-as-i-mince-my-words-for-you-the-reader-of-this
I basically wrote a response to this whole mess and there I say everything I really needed to say.
Oh... now I'm really curious. Going to read it.
Thank you for letting me know!
Good post! Def make some good points here about the system, doubt it'll be around long term working like this but we shall see. Thanks! By the way, feel good about your Steem power, at least for now it's still worth something!
I'm proud of my accomplishments whether these folks like it or not. I'm proof the system works as intended and I'm not the only one. I know of quite of few people who've done as good if not better than I have without ever buying into this sales pitch that it's "hard to get noticed". It's hard to get noticed everywhere. The moment someone comes along, creates a problem, then offers what they call a "solution" for a fee, you know they're just feeding you a line of BS. They're also using a tactic big tobacco used long ago. They say things like "once you're ready and have confidence in your work, promote it." So if you're not buying votes, does that mean you're not confident? Is it a sign of weakness? They used to say smoking was cool. You're not cool unless you smoke. That made people feel inferior to smokers, so they started smoking. These are old tricks but I'm not surprised people still fall for it. They're weak, they need a crutch, they hear someone say something like "this makes you look confident", and they jump all over that shit.
Much like a smoker, they'll spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on these bots and have nothing to show for it. 23333 SP now. That's what you get for working, discipline (even though I'm a freaking nutcase on my blog), and not handing out your hard earned tokens to pay for the toll road leading over a cliff just because someone said you can fly.
The biggest threat to those who are here for passive income generation, are those with an actual product to sell. As the pond grew wider, your circle didn't matter as much. Clearly, you guys are really threatened. I suggest you calm down and try to work on your posts. It won't be like back in the day when all of you circle-jerked each other and good content never got noticed or never earned anything here. Now, people are going to trend with their hard earned investment - some may lose, others will win. But the days of passive circle jerking are always numbered. Just get used to it and stop pathetic whining - it's embarrassing
Now, I will save all of you the effort - yes, I'm a newb who doesn't understand anything. No problem, I still have my self respect and my confidence. This post is a good post. Well promoted. Good luck to all the winners in this thread.
Do you feel better now?
I've handed out 287 votes to 129 different accounts in the past seven days. I can usually do better than that. Many of those accounts have far less SP than mine, some have more, and I certainly didn't vote for all of those people you just insulted so I get something in return. If I could help more people, I most certainly would. I nearly made the top 100 on this list of the most effective curators last week. I'm there quite often. I guess I made this list. Top 250 in all of Steemit for one day.
I've pressed that button manually 21492 times. You could spend all the money you have to get yourself on trending. You still need someone like me to come along and vote for your post in order to make any money.
I read your comment below as well. You're the guy who said, " I prefer paying my ticket to get to the top to jerking people in a circle. I value my freedom and I don't do anyone any favors." You value your freedom so you're willing to become dependent on a middleman to get to the imaginary top? That's interesting.
In your other comment you also displayed how you've fallen for the sales pitch "believe in yourself first then come to us and give us your money" line so I'm not surprised to see you come here to tell everyone how confident you are.
A lot of what you said proves you're new, especially the "back in the day" stuff you speak of, as if you were here to see someone like me start at the bottom and work their way up. I didn't know anyone, started with nothing, and I don't appreciate you downplaying my efforts and making it sound like earning 23300 SP as writer/artist/entertainer on Steemit is a bad thing or insinuating I did something wrong.
Anyway, thanks for, nothing. And don't forget to tighten up that helmet before you go out today.
I don't have time to read your entire content. Please forgive me for that. I read your first line - to answer, yes. I feel great. Always do. If you want my attention, produce good content, I will read it. Thanks for reading mine.
AND fuck you again.
As eloquent as always - at least it's a short comment this time.
I appreciate hard work and dedication, I am going to follow you and hope to learn some stuff on what it takes to at least swim with the dolphins one day.
I think @joeparys is preying on newbs who's never created content and don't know what it's like doing these kinds of things.
He knows perfectly well what you said but well, whatever gets upvotes right? One look and you can see he's doing exactly what Tai Lopez did, "teaching" people how to be a millionaire and only then become a millionaire from the lies he sold.
For sure yea. Depends on what kind of content people want to see. And of course if that content ever shows up on their feed
LOL, Read this... The Flintstones knew more about money than these crypto crazies do...
https://www.banking.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Roubini%20Testimony%2010-11-18.pdf
Would be funny if I got his damn bot to upvote this but I don't self bid so there's that.
Just tried. He doesn't do comments. lmao.
That's a cool picture but I didn't come here to get mixed up with the trolling stuff. I get the humor but I'm sure, since I'm not praising this stuff or kissing anyone's ass, I already look bad enough.
Not trolling. I earnestly believe he is a parasite and want to ridicule him accordingly.
I want him to question himself everyday about his gains being direct result of being a manipulative toolbag.
Look at your wallet and look at his. I know you. I know you are genuine and not a pretentious asshole.
If someone wanted me to paint their house and said they'd give me $1000 but I only get $100 while the other $900 goes to someone else who did absolutely nothing, just some random dude; I'd tell them they could shove that contract up their ass.
Why should someone else earn that much money for doing nothing, and the only way it's possible for them to see that cash is if I do all the work.
So we have promoters here, which is fine. Promoters take a cut; that's normal. If they start acting like the famous promoter Don King though, you fire their ass.
This Joe guy is leading people to believe that painting contract I mentioned above is a good deal and in so many words claiming Don King was a good guy. Anyone in business knows you can't be successful if you make stupid business decisions like that. I can see why so many are hostile towards him. I think I'll leave it at that.
That's where we would agree to disagree. Suggesting vote selling is mere promotion is a gross oversimplification. How do I know that? Ask them to decline rewards and you'll find our real quick.
See you around @nonameslefttouse. We may differ in views slightly but I think we at least at least agree on the important point. That this fella is a deceptive weasely marketer. Always a pleasure seeing you rip into him.
Don't think you "look bad" to honest folk. You're just calling bullshit where you see it. That's a virtue way I see it. Peace out.
I salute you sir, for making one of the best comments i have seen in recent times. I don't have much more to add as you have hit the nail on the head.
He is literally a bid bot. Of course he's going to encourage people a buy votes. That's sleazy marketing 101 @nonameslefttouse.
Guess our kind is just on the wrong side of Steem history. Maybe, we should all just sell votes and say fuck it.
BRB going to photoshop Joe's face onto a tape worm cuz that's pretty much what he is...
Dude I get what you have to say. But a few months ago for example @berniesanders downvoted this account's reputation to 1. So what did I do to get back on my feet? I paid for upvotes. Nobody was willing to help me. I think my reputation is at 18 now, but if it wasn't for joeparys's bot which is one of the few bots that allows people with low reputations to upvote their own posts, then I would've been able to recover. I want people to read my stuff and if my reputation is 1 then most of my posts are hidden on the steemit frontend.
What did you do to get flagged?
For writing this:
https://steemit.com/abuse/@netscape101/what-happens-when-you-write-some-true-journalism-on
https://steemit.com/berniesanders/@netscape101/abusereports-reports-of-people-being-abused
https://steemit.com/steemit/@netscape101/take-back-steemit-from-berniesanders
https://steemit.com/abuse/@netscape101/re-reports-of-people-being-abused-by-abusereports-aka-berniesanders
And finally this:
https://gitlab.com/timogoosen/youshouldseebot
You did say this:
So I guess, in the end, unfortunately, you're still responsible for your own decisions.
I was flagged early on by a much larger account than his. Instead of going off and trying to make the flagger look bad, I simply wrote a couple of posts that made sense, didn't include insults or any of that stuff, I ended up making money. That was way back when before I even knew anyone. Before I had even 100SP. I guess it's all in the delivery.
Well I didnt care about my rep back then. But yeah he did run a fake anti abuse service and I thinl everything I wrote about him makes sense. All Im just getting accross is that there are bigger villians out there than @joeparys and i dont consider him a villian to be honest. Also you assume this whole system isnt rigged to begin with. Look at some of the earliest posts by the steemit dev (cant remember what his name is) where he gave himself only the ability to "mine" while other people couldnt. This whole thing is rigged to begin with.
Joe made you give him money to get you out of a jam. He could have done that for free. He made money off your shitty situation. If bernie flagged more people, I'm sure joe would love to bail them out.
If you think the place is rigged, why are you here caring about reputation and stuff?
You do make a good point about the buying votes thing.
"If this place is rigged , why are you here...?"
Um good question. Maybe I think I'm one of the first million users of steemit so this might apply:
Just kidding. There are things I like about steemit, the API's, the good info on here, the stuff I learn on here, the potential I see here etc. I have mixed feelings. Will be following you. Thanks for an interesting conversation :)
Forgot to mention thanks to @freespeach:
https://steemit.com/abuse/@netscape101/please-support-freezepeach
Besides that had some friends helping me along the way and yes upvote bots.
Excelente comentario!!!!!
please vote this comment to make my first cents :D
this is real capitalism where of you have the money to get ahead or are willing to spend to win then you will but if you let monnows outspend you on the resources then you will lose out. the system was designed to be build upon and that includes vote buying which is how you promote the post. earnings are of course not gauranteed because of the fluid dynamics of this platform.
this platform is a prototypr for folks to use and figure out where they stand, it will likely never be some new phenomenon because the large accounts unfairly control most of the value on the chain. As a small holder I know my potential here is limited unless i invest huge sums of extra income. its a good place to earn more that what facebook pays you to post but it wont replae facebook because that application is actually useful on the greater internet not to mention constantly under development by a team with direction and a plan. steemits devs have themselves in mind and adding new members not supporting the existing ones.
im not an expert on the system but in my time here i have seen how it will likely five way to another chain that will outdo it. i partially think a social media platform like facebook secured with blockchain would be a great tool. although you would have to overcome the potential of it being used as an attack vector in "elections" lol.
This model of promotion is a joke. There are only a handful of top slots and if thousands of people tried to promote their posts in this fashion, all they do is end up blending back in with the crowd; making this more pointless than it ever was. The business model is one big flop. If it becomes successful it becomes useless at the same time. That's not capitalism, it's stupidity.
Content producers come first. The ads and promoted posts should be tucked nicely inside posts as banner ads. That would give those who wish to promote their posts a much larger potential viewership, and the content producers would be able to produce content that can reach top slots organically. There are literally thousands of posts published daily. The ads should be inside those posts and the content producers should take center stage to attract eyes to the platform.
The content producers should have to select a maximum of two ads they'd like to include in their blog from a market. In other words, content producers would curate ads and look for something people might want to click because the content producer would be earning a piece of the ad revenue. That click should function like the vote button, voting for the post before the consumer takes off to visit the ad. Those promoting would have to spend more and more to jockey for position within this market tab. If they wanted the top slot there, with the hopes a lazy blogger wouldn't look hard, they'd have to buy STEEM and spend more to boost it to the top. This creates a huge demand for STEEM this current model can't even come close to.
That promotion, on payday, then gets split between the promoters, content producers who hosted the ad, and if there's any profit left that goes to the one who published the promotion.
Everyone then works together. Content producers can earn ad revenue on top of their votes, those promoting have far more potential slots and far more potential eyes on their ads, those selling votes for the ads within the market would earn less per post but far more in bulk. There wouldn't even be enough of them, which creates more demand to buy STEEM on top of all this. Content producers with more stake earn higher percentages of the ad reward pool, creating even more demand to buy steem and power up earnings.
Right now everyone works against each other and the promotion system is a joke. These people could be making far more money but they don't have any experience in the entertainment industry to be able to understand their roles. They want the most money and they currently depend on the next sucker who walks in the door. Everything about their system means, eventually, it falls in on itself.
you have made such valid points here my friend. shit if we could find a developer alone this comment could be turned into the basis for a whitepaper.
Steemit will likely never change like that but it takes smart folks like you who have thought so deeply on the issue to drive us in a positive direction for growth elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure I said this creates demand for STEEM.
The root cause of the whole vote selling issue was STEEM's linear reward curve which made vote value predictable. Essentially turning votes and rshares commodity which can be sold as a service.
One way to destroy this whole market is to change the reward curve and making it impossible to know how much one's vote is worth exactly. @kevingwong detailed how this could be done in his post some time ago and it's something i recommend anyone and everyone to read.
https://steemit.com/steem/@kevinwong/are-you-seeing-the-truth-what-is-your-vision-of-steem
Now that @kevinwong is a witness on Steem, i'm confident enough that when he has what it takes to make a real change to the way Steem works when he has enough influence. If you haven't voted for him, you should!
That's such an interesting concept. I wonder how it would play out.
Wow, this comment is so full of emotions. It seems like You do work really hard and your hockey story reminded me of the movie Goon, were you a Goon too?
Really i appreciate you on behalf of this message.
On behalf of this message I would like to say thank you to this message.
I love Steemit... except for how much people complain about how it "isn't fair" or how others decide to act on the site. That will happen any and every time there's any sort of money involved, even if in most cases we're talking about pennies.
Have you ever seen how people act on Facebook? How about how people act under a Youtube video?
Shift your focus and you'll see a lot of good people here. Amazing people.
wow amazing
very good
I discovered you because this #comment. I had no idea that here is some people that genuinly grind. GRIND GRIND GRIND. You motivated me to write again))
There are plenty of us out there. Just look beyond the fakes you'll find thousands of us somewhere near the bottom having fun.
I see that you are relatively success from start.
My earliest posts don't show up on my blog anymore I don't think. My first 20 or so posts only gave me about 18 cents. I worked months before I earned $500.
One of the best comments I have seen
Hi @nonameslefttouse
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Bidbots are against what steemit is supposed to be, namely good content will be rewarded. Now people buy vote and reward themselves. They also buy reputation. I am on steemit for the same time as you and have a rep of 69 and you have 71, by posting almost daily and some days more than one post, and also commenting on posts. Now people who are on steemit for about six months has a bought (not earned) rep of more than 70!! This is just not how it is supposed to be. I thought the new RC system will help to reduce the bidbots, but it did not have an effect, because the guys in charge just gave in and multiplied every-bodies RC by 10!!
Keep on fighting the good fight!!
Nice to see you, @rynow. These things bother a lot of people. A lot of us worked hard and as honestly as we could. It's not easy to see the place turn into what it is now. What else can I really say...
You have to invest a bit in your own content. If it's good, buy some votes from high reputation bid-bots. This is the same as any other business, you have to show your readers you have faith in your product. Alternatively, you can leech on the whiners' who want to keep the rewards coming to their own circles, (for whom fighting any means of a level playing field is in their game plan). One can hope they like the way one assists them to bad-mouth, downvote and generally troll on their behalf, perhaps they will throw some crumbs down your way one day. I personally, will never be able to do that.
The point I am making is, interaction will not come simply 'organically'. That dogma is punted by people who collude inside communities to gain each others' support. They are not playing fairly, when all honesty and decorum go out the window when they are in a thread. Notice how the dogma reads: be nice, be positive, interaction will come organically.. blah blah. But take a look at the way they comment here in this post.. You see my point?
Have a look at how you're commenting. Nothing but insults thrown my way. I hope you're proud of yourself. You see my point?
If the shoe fits. Let me disappoint you, you are one of a type, not one of a kind.. everything is not always about you.
Did you forget about the part where you called me @noideaslefttowriteabout? Pretty sure you're talking about me, man. Using your other account, you tried to say I don't even produce content. Anyone can look at my blog, dude. They'll see 636 different posts. Now you're here again, with your lies, baseless accusations, and some strange form of character assassination. I'm sure by now, anyone with a brain reading what you're saying can see what you're up to.
Please stop trolling. Thanks.
It's one thing to buy votes, but 800 dollars in votes is fucking obscene
You need to understand - invest 50 dollars, gain reputation from high votes and some attention by hitting trending. You will get about $40 of that back when the post payout comes, the rest is a cost to you. If you have $500 to spend, good for you. You may lose the same percentage in the short term, but in the long term, you would have gained far more visibility.
The objective is not to make a profit off the post, but to gain brand visibility and to get a message out there. It costs money to promote any product. If you approach this platform to get passive income, then you will need to get the attention of accounts who have @noideaslefttowriteabout and they will upvote you for trolling for their campaigns to keep this platform working for them, not for everyone else.
My advice is to work on your product - your message - spend a bit, take risks. Success comes slowly, it is a hard game to play, but never be a pathetic whiner along with this lot who flag posts out of spite.
As you're trolling, I'd just like you to know, I'm reading everything you say.
Needless to say, the way you're acting is a bit strange. You're trying a little too hard to discredit me while pushing your own agenda onto others. That's a bit suspicious. Something isn't right about you.
Everything you say; it's bullshit. I have reason to believe envy is clouding your judgement.
I've done nothing wrong. I suppose if I flagged these comments for trolling and harassment, you'd play the victim card? You seem like that kind of guy.
If I bother you so much, stop paying attention to me.
Thank you.
What a strange take on things you have. I bet it would cost a lot to get inside and figure all of that out.. I wish you the best of luck though. But a word of advice, cracks are like wrinkles.. they show as the story gets older, and hurling abuses at others for engaging in conversation instead of staying quiet like an obedient boy should, will not buy you real reputation. I have taken note of what you wrote this time, because you are quite an interesting foul mouthed person.. I must say, i am intrigued to figure out what makes everything always be about you.
You must have a short memory.
You said:
I don't think everything is about me. You're straight up being a dickhead. Simple stuff, my friend.
Please stop trolling. Check this out when you have time:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@nonameslefttouse/turning-rage-into-the-soothing-steem-now-blowing-out-my-butt-as-i-mince-my-words-for-you-the-reader-of-this
You're included in there.
Wow - I must be famous now. Is your likeableness now turning into vindictiveness, threats, aggression perhaps?
You started trolling this thread by attacking the OP. I am simply expressing my opinion. If you want to call it any namesyouhaveleft, go ahead. Choose the name Troll for all I care. All I am seeing is a frantic display of aggression and attempts to censor any meaningful discussion here.
Have it your way.
You're drunk.
Muted.