Steemit operating advice for newcomers and the generally 'not quite sure'.

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

I’ve noticed a lot of new bloggers on the Steemit platform lately and yesterday, @s0u1 and I visited our dear friend @opheliafu – no @cryptofunk, unfortunately, but we’ll catch up soon

We were discussing things we’ve noticed that the newcomers are doing differently to how we used Steemit when we first joined.

The number at the side of your name is your ‘rep’ – Reputation. It’s relatively easy to raise it to start with and then it gets harder as you go. People above 50 rep are working hard to earn that number. Be respectful of their hard work.

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Across the top of your banner (you can now customise the banner with your own picture rather than the Steemit banner we had before) there is ‘home’ ‘new’ ‘hot’ ‘trending’ and ‘promoted’.

The ‘home’ page lists the posts from people you follow. It also shows the posts that are resteemed by those you follow too. Be aware of that when you’re resteeming, the people that follow you will get everything you resteem as soon as you resteem it.

The ‘new’ page is exactly what it says – everything new, as it’s posted. You can see posts from people you no longer follow and from those you’ve yet to follow AS WELL AS those you follow. It gets very busy on the ‘new’ page.

‘hot’ shows posts that are getting a lot of attention from upvoters.

Click on your page and then on ‘hot’ and it shows everything that’s gaining traction. There’s a list of tags to the right side of that page and if you click one, it then shows what’s ‘hot’ in that tag – or subject.

With ‘trending’ it’s a little different to ‘hot’ in the fact that the ‘trending’ posts are usually big-earners. They hold the interest of more people for longer. The same with ‘hot’, click your page then ‘trending’ to see the whole list and then click a particular tag to the right side to see more specific trending posts in that subject.

‘promoted’ is a list of posts where someone (not always the author of the post) has paid for it to be promoted. You can promote from as little as .001 SBD and that gets you onto another page, so in effect, you’ve got six tag opportunities, rather than five.

VOTING

If you like a post, UPVOTE it. Click that little upvote box. It costs you NOTHING and you can actually earn Steem.

No, really… you can.

The reward total on a post is divided between the author and the curators (they are the ones that have upvoted a post). 75% of the steem goes to the person that wrote the post and 25% goes to everyone that upvoted. It’s not quite as simple as that, though…

The amount you receive depends on how much you have in your Steemit Wallet. The more you have, the more you give when you vote and therefore, the more you get back when the post is paid-out at the end of seven days.

If you upvote a post and it then goes onto the ‘hot’ page, your upvote will give you a little of that reward.

I’ve seen people apologising because they haven’t given much - @opheliafu, @s0u1 and I think those people believe they have to use their own money to reward a post – NOT SO!

Keep your Steem, your SBD and power-up! Accumulate, save, invest and carry on blogging.

Upvote if you like someone’s work – that is all the reward you need to give and believe me, it’s appreciated.

If you want to do a little more, comment on the post. Say you enjoyed it, ask if there are any more posts on the way, follow the person, check out their blog page – click any name on the Steemit platform and it will take you right to their ‘follow’ button. Click the name again and you get their whole page.

Here’s the DON’T list -

Don’t spam your blog link on someone else’s post, it’s not polite, especially if it has nothing to do with the subject posted.

Don’t beg for follows and resteems, I just ignore those that do that. Instead, engage in conversation. Ask questions, show you’re interested.

Follow people that write things you’re interested in. If you’re interested in a subject, you’re more likely to enjoy their blog.

DON’T LOOK AT THIS AS A WAGE-EARNER – at least not from the start.

Don’t be discouraged if you earn a big reward and then nothing.

Don’t be discouraged if you earn nothing… and then nothing.

Don’t STEAL, ‘borrow’ or copy-paste – you WILL be found out and your reputation will be in the toilet.

Write good quality posts, put spaces between paragraphs to make it easy on the eye to your readers and add pictures. If you use Google Images, Pixabay etc, be sure to say where the pictures are from. If you need to ask permission to use an image, make sure you ask and receive that permission before you post it.

If you enjoyed or learned anything from this, click the upvote. If you think your followers will benefit from the little bits of advice I posted here, resteem it.

If you have anything to add, please do! Post your additions in the comments.

I promise that if I use your advice in another one of these blogs, I’ll credit you.

Some of the images are from Google - others I've taken photographs of my Steemit page

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Great advice from someone who has worked hard to get where she is. Thank you for sharing. I believe attitude is also important. I have seen many who are complaining that they are not making the mega bucks that they had wanted. They want immediate results. That's why we have the problem coming along now with bots and spammers. I joined steemit so I could have a platform to share my work with others and share ideas with like minded people. I appreciate honest feed back and I try to give the best responses for replies. If I make a liitle money on the side, that is a bonus.

And that, dear @cecicastor, is the crux of this whole Steemit experience. Enjoy, Blog, Share, Receive Feedback and if you gain a few bucks, that's a BONUS!

thank you for the lovely post. You touch many issues that needs to be talked about but isn't. I'm fairly new myself (couple of months) I have noticed many of the mentioned above behaviors like spammy comments/content , posting links of their own blog on someone else's blog post, blindly following without even looking at the content or a single up-vote at any point ever in hopes one will follow back then go on a unfollow spree once they have an audience, creating multiple accounts to upvote their own post, lots of dishonorable behaviors that devalue the platform and it needs to stop but not enough ppl are talking about it. myself along with many others are here to form real friendships with like-minded individuals and learn new perspectives. I would much prefer getting 10 upvotes worth 0.00 and know somebody cares about my writing than a bunch of followers that has no intention on ever contributing anything. it is discouraging. I continue to push myself to keep writing regardless. I notice many whales and dolphins starting to take action on deceitful behaviors. i'm very thankful for that.

You're welcome and thank you for your detailed response. It helps for others to see other people's perspectives.

I think we all have a duty of care not just to the platform but to new users coming in. If we don't help and encourage, they'll become disillusioned and leave. That's no good for anyone.

All good tips. Steemit can seem strange when people join up and it's tempting to try to make as much as possible early on, but if you annoy people it can kill your reputation. Building connections is a key strategy

Absolutely! I think we had it easier than the new-newcomers. There were more people to help out, it seemed and we learned together.

Perfect post to keep in our "know how" folder.
Have a nice day!

Thank you!

You too :)

I would change your formatting advice to be stronger. Learning to make your posts look nice should be what you focus on in the first weeks and months so that you improve quickly.

Simple formatting is not that hard to learn and there are tons of posts telling little pieces so you can learn as you go. I personally cannot read anything that is a long block of text and do not even try.

Sadly, I close a lot of possibly good posts for that reason. This is especially true in the writing tag. I want to read because of the title and first sentence, but I just can't.

I notice you did not mention the timing of the vote. Do you think it is something to ignore in the beginning?

Someone (don't remember who ) right at the beginning told me not to bother with the promoted, so I have never looked at it in the whole 9 weeks. But I did not think of it from the other side of promoting myself. I thought it would be much more expensive so now I will look into it. Thank you!

And thank you for such a detailed post. We're trying down here and it is not easy!

I haven't given any formatting advice yet. I wanted to start with the basics first.

Write good quality posts, put spaces between paragraphs to make it easy on the eye to your readers and add pictures. If you use Google Images, Pixabay etc, be sure to say where the pictures are from. If you need to ask permission to use an image, make sure you ask and receive that permission before you post it.

To start with, that's as much as you need. :)

Formatting is simple, but Steemit can be complicated for the newbie and one step at a time is probably best for the beginners.

The timing on the vote for beginners again is another complexity for later, I think. Just getting their name out there, getting a few followers and interacting. The timing of their vote won't amount to much to start with, unless they are powering-up with a lot of purchased Steem, so timing won't make much difference.

Did you get an explanation as to why you should not bother with the promoted stuff? I'm not sure why you'd be advised to avoid it. I use it from time to time, but as with everything Steemit, to start with, don't expect to make hundreds on your posts. If you do, you can celebrate an unexpected windfall.

You're most welcome.

From the responses I've received, I think there may be another post coming soon and I'll be sure to add your formatting points in there, @fitinfun - thank you :)

Thank for all the info. So helpful and I will look out for part two. I think the person said something along the line of "those are ads." This made me think I would want to skip them.

There are no ads on Steemit :) Everything is a post. You may get some spammers though... ;)

Not too many since I am little. I think they go after you big guys more :)

I'd say don't bother with the promotion page and its efforts because it doesn't look one bit productive. Entries like "Potential Payout $20.51 in 15 minutes / promotion cost $38.14" are pretty standard. Days back, I saw one that showed a $4+ potential payout with an $88 promotion cost.

That pretty much killed the whole idea for us ... so unless the potential payout figures are on top of the promotion costs (and if so, somewhere someone should make that clear) ... I'd agree with those who say "skip it." (Another real-life example -- Potential Payout $1.54 -- in 10 hours -- Promotion Cost $22.00.)

Also, I don't see much here that isn't somehow crypto-related ... and while I realize that's 90% of what this platform is really about -- if that's not your audience, it would seem you're not apt to find much of a new readership or more followers using this strategy.

If there's a misunderstanding here, please do correct me. I'm still learning like so many others. But that's how I see this issue presently.

No, not misleading, you've said what you've seen.

I haven't looked at the promotion page recently.

To be honest, I don't think some of the people are using the promotion feature to recoup their investment. I think they are using it to get their blog post at the top of the page so everyone can see it.

Just because someone pays a fortune to promote their blog post doesn't mean it will necessarily make 'mega-bucks' although it has happened before now.

Thanks for you short introduction on first steps into the depth of Steemit-Jungle...

You say, one can earn if a upvoted post goes to the hot area, right ?

so all other upvotes on posts not reaching there do not get me anywhere ?

Is that right ?

If so, my next question would be superfluos: how many decimals are counted in calculating the curations by the blockchain ?

My wallet displays only four digits (x.xxx) - is this for display reasons only and lower amounts just accumulating or are they lost ?

This question concerns me since few days as I not really got much out of my upvotes so far and the first 7 days period just finishes on Tuesday...

Thank you so far !

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@honolulu ;)

You say, one can earn if a upvoted post goes to the hot area, right ?
so all other upvotes on posts not reaching there do not get me anywhere ?
Is that right ?

Not quite. If you upvote a post and it goes on to be 'hot' and then (fingers crossed) 'trending' you get more than you would have because 25% of the reward is more and so is your share.

I have to admit, it's negligible, but still fun to watch a post you voted on early-on going to heady-heights on the Trending page.

Please don't just upvote posts you think will do that though. This platform depends upon people growing their small account through others upvoting.

Continue to read and enjoy blogs posted on Steemit and don't forget, every single one of us started at 25.

If so, my next question would be superfluos: how many decimals are counted in calculating the curations by the blockchain ?

Not got a clue on that one, sorry. I have no idea.

My wallet displays only four digits (x.xxx) - is this for display reasons only and lower amounts just accumulating or are they lost ?

That is accumulated.

Thank you very much for your answer... the main question troubling me right now was answered ;) no votes lost, the rewards just don`t show up because of display reasons (maybe lower than 0.000) but they are accumulated... that is quiet reassuring...

Yes, it's all calculated by people so much cleverer than me and you'd have to read their blogs for the more detailed answers.

in 350 k users and so many blogs it is not easy to find out the ones you mention ;) if you have any suggestions, please let me know ;)

Use the tags to find experts on the fields you're interested in. There's also a search button on your page (shaped like a magnifying glass).

Not to forget respect the tags because there's some steemer that will downvote post that does not respect tags. I learned about it the hard way.

Yes, there are a few lessons you have to learn FAST

Really a helpful post for the newbies like . I want to invest my steem dollar to buy steem power , so that i can reward more . Is it helpful or not ?

Oh yes! Please do invest if you can. That's exactly what I'm doing.

The easiest way to invest is to Power-Up your Steem rewards. Also, you can buy and sell SBD/Steem on the internal market.

Found on your own page, to the right of your icon - three lines, click the lines and select 'Currency Market' - or HERE is the direct link.

Thanks a lot

Great post, helpful for newbies, the Do not list must be published daily, spammers are everywhere =(

Thank you and yes, you're right. I hope it's because they don't know any better and will stop the practice if they are told.

it will be really helpful for new comers

That's what I was hoping :) Thank you.

Yes good

Sir your the past nice information.steemit member

Thank you and for future reference, a female is 'madam' or 'miss' not 'sir'.

sorry madam je .

No problem :)

much informative for me.......thanks @michelle.gent

You're most welcome :)

interesting information, thanks for sharing

You're welcome :) Thanks for reading :)

Some very good trips, this is a quite tricky platform to get to grips with.

Thank you. Yes, it can be tricky but it's also very worth-while taking time to get to grips with it. Good Luck :)

Good article))) I wish you success)))

Thank you, you too :)

This is excellent, I joined Steemit in Aug. This post would have saved me some time.
Thank you
Cheers

I joined last August and I'm still finding new things!

Take your time and ask questions. Good Luck!

Thanks for the tips. Very useful.

You're welcome. Thank you :)

I've learnt a few things reading this too! Not just tips for newbies :D

Haha! Thank you! I'm glad it's helpful.

This is very helpful and informative to me as a newborn in this world of steemit. I learned new tips @michelle.grant . For almost a month here, I also learned that you should not aloof yourself from everyone. Learn to engage and explore, maybe join a contest or join a community, in the steemit app or in discord so that you have someone you can ask for questions esp. for the new ones. Enjoy and have fun not alone but with others as well.

Thank you! That's exactly right! This is a community not a solo mission.

They should all read it!! All of them!!

Haha! Yes they should... I may give a test on this subject later... ;)

Shame I missed u, great advice btw!

Yes, we were sorry to miss you too... but there's always Lisbon and we're not too far away that we can't call again :)

We've even got plans to visit @meesterboom and he's across the border!

thanks for the info , i am new to steemit

You're very welcome. Hello and welcome to Steemit :)

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Thank you! I have only been on Steemit for a few months and am still learning while posting. I am glad to hear that my upvote does count. It seems important to me that the people that author good work should know it in a variety of ways.

You're welcome.

You're right, it does help that an author knows someone has read their work and appreciates it.

thanks. The post is very helpful to me as a newcomer in steemit. Your post I can make as my reference reference in steemit deepens. Thanks again for you.

You're welcome. I'm glad this helped.

I also have a couple of my own questions -- and this essay may be a place to pose them. If not, I apologize. However ... I've seen advice that you shouldn't upvote anyone's post for at least an hour after it's published.

There was absolutely no reason given, and if it's legitimate I'd like to know why. (At the time I was so new, and people that day seemed to be in such a cranky mood, I didn't dare ask directly. As you may learn, I am not a wuss, but I do live in terror of offending someone with a question or request that comes across to the well-informed as presumptuous or simple-minded.)

I've also seen warnings to never publish more than 4 posts in a day because you'll get "taxed" on any beyond that -- and any rewards on them (meager as they are in the beginning) will be restricted.

Now, I've also read understandable complaints about some newcomer who slammed up 22 articles on his blog in a 7 hour time period and people found that irritating. No argument on that. But if there are actual penalties or conventional standards and limits -- even if they're not formally written down somewhere -- could someone please address that ... for those of us who sincerely want to play by the rules but have a haphazard experience finding them.

I've seen advice that you shouldn't upvote anyone's post for at least an hour after it's published.

I think that's advice on swimming after eating.

The design of Steemit was that if someone votes before 30 minutes (not 60), part of the curation reward goes to the author of the post. I'm not certain if that still holds true, but it certainly did.

After the 30 minutes, if you upvote a post, then you would get the whole portion of whatever share of the 25% is due to you.

The 4 posts a day rule has been retired now. It was true but isn't now.

No penalties, but I have to agree, it could be seen as annoying. The only penalty I can think you'd incur for that, however, is that you'd not get as many followers as you possibly would.

Rather than 'slamming up' 22 posts, the person would have been better advised to post three or four quality posts and leave the rest for another day, giving himself time to edit and re-write the three or four he put up and make them really good instead of a whole lot in one go.

You can find the guidelines in the white paper if you look.

Or Here

I make no guarantees for that download. I didn't put it up, I just searched for Steemit White Paper and I've copied the first link that popped up.

Thank you for posting this....really good pointers.

Can you tell me how you balance upvoting with keeping your voting power up?

I notice that when I vote, I have my voting power drastically reduced. Every vote seems to have to be at 100% which means if I start voting a ton I end up giving little.

Any suggestions?

So sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this. I use this site by @penguinpablo to check on my voting power.

https://www.steemnow.com/

First off, thank you, being a newbie, I find it a very useful post.

However, I admit to being confused and I suspect I have not understood something you said. You say we should upvote often, as it costs us nothing, and yet, you also say, if I may quote:

The amount you receive depends on how much you have in your Steemit Wallet. The more you have, the more you give when you vote and therefore, the more you get back when the post is paid-out at the end of seven days.

"...the more you give when you vote"? I have also seen a post where it is explained that as a newbie, if I upvote more than 10 times a day, my drip-drip replenishment cannot catch up and my balance will go down.

Is he right?

I do want to mention that I appreciate that many here want to make money because they need it. So do I, but I quickly realised that at my age it is not a goal I should set for myself. My main concern is that I have been writing for nearly 18 years and though I did, for a short time, have a site where I could publish and had a number of readers, I never was rewarded with comments or (as I asked) critiques, so I stopped posting there.

I also enjoy floating around, often using the name in an interesting or nice comment to open their page and read a post or two. If I chose wisely, then I want to encourage them (especially newbies like me) so I upvote - which explains my first question, as I cannot help if my money runs out.

I look forward to your comment.

Hey @arthur.grafo. Thanks for the comment. I'm pleased you found a use for my post.

The Steem you have in your Steem wallet (SteemPower, SBD and Steem) will not be used for voting. That won't be taken out, but the amount you have 'Powered-up' determines how much you allocate on your vote when you upvote someone's blog or reply.

Take a look at this site by @penguinpablo.
https://www.steemnow.com/

Type your username in there and it shows you the latest votes on your blogs, the curation rewards you've received and the upvotes you've received.

It also shows you what voting power you have and how much your upvote is worth when you click that little circle to say you liked a post.

There's a reward pool and every day, it's refreshed. 75% of the reward pool is allocated to authors and 25% is shared between the curators. When you upvote my post for example, you'd get a proportionate share of 25% of the payout listed.

If a post makes $100,

I'd receive 75% as the author = $75

If there were two upvotes and your upvote gave me $50 of the payout, you'd stand to receive $12.50 (50% of the 25% of the total payout).

It's not as simple as that (when is it ever?) but that's the gist.

You don't pay any of your hard-earned steem out, but you can gain some by curation.