Request For Declaration Of Intent From @haejin & @ranchorelaxo!

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I am requesting a "Declaration of Intent" from @haejin and @ranchorelaxo. I am appalled by the amount of rewards that these two users are taking from their combined efforts. I as well as lot of other users would love to know why these users are doing this. I don't think I will receive a response but it's worth a try.

Until then, I'll keep trying to save Steemit one day at a time


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Good work @hendrix22 I have resteemed this post, hoping it will help further this cause. Again, thanks for your efforts.

Check out this post. There are other crusaders here:

A destructive Steemit user we need to stand against...
https://steemit.com/steemit/@worstcritic/a-destructive-steemit-user-we-need-to-stand-against

I would be interested on your take.

Thanks for the support, upvote and resteem!!

Your posts are disappearing. I gues censorship is alive and well in here...

It sure is. We need to up our game and get more people flagging the Donkey!

I doubt you will get a response... Additionally he is highly inaccurate and pretty much slams anyone that says anything..

Donkey boy was nice enough to go through and down vote every single posts on my blog that had a payout.. He's a dick, no doubt..

I agree that he is ruining lives as well..

https://steemit.com/haejinality/@pawsdog/johnnyfinger-the-real-danger-of-haejin-and-the-damage-that-irresponsible-calls-can-bring-about

Haejin- 0 for 4 so far since January

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Of course his predictions are shit! He's a Donkey and his posts are garbage.

I totally agree with you there.. he is more interested in hyping his own bullshit and raping the platform than doing anything else..

Well said brotha! You are fighting the good fight. ✊🏻

Thanks dude!!

Ive been seeing posts about this haejin guy, but as a newbie i was struggling to understand what was going on. This now tells me everything. Thank you for clearing that up for me. Everytime there is something great there is always someone to bring it down for others. A time to fight it indeed.

I'm glad my video was able to give clarity on the subject for you.

It did. I was seeing the posts written more negative about him, then I saw one that was more positive... but wasnt sure if it was sarcasm or what. Im happy to have seen this video to know what is what. Im resteeming this in hopes that it clarifies a few things to others as well.

It really is a big deal and a big problem! There has been a lot of sarcasm going around as well. This is serious though. Thank you for the resteem

You are welcome and thank you again.

Great job you are doing there bro... deep repect. I am really looking forward wether you gonna get a reply from them however actually can´t see it but we will see
cheers

I can't see it either! A response would mean their in it for something other then just draining Steemit lol

right ... in that sense we shouldn´t expect any kind of feedback. However that would also imply that our assumptions about them are in fact correct, hence they are in conclusion abusing steemit only and for nothing but their financial advantage ... with this being said implying they ain´t giving a damn sh*t about steemit at all.

Would be great if they answer so that we may actuall get an discussion one-on-one going.

Maybe they are just here to make themselves as well off financially as possible.

Nothing in STEEM blockchain or steemit restricts or limits there ability to do what they are doing.

So why so surprised that there are bad apples among the mega whales? If it wasn't these two, it would be others. And it will be others in the future.

Maybe you need to reconsider all the limitations and side effects that come with POS cryptos.

There are some obvious advantages to POW. Along with drawbacks there as well.

Totally agree that is their aim. No different than a Wall Street Powerhouse. That is their interest and nothing in the Steemit rules says they can not do this. If they were not someone else will. The law of the land no matter what yu are doing and where you are doing it. You can make yourself crazy chasing them around and they are loopholers looking for a quick way to fame and fortune. They are not going to give it up and really they do not have to. There is no rule to say they can not and if there was a rule, they would find a loop hole. Others will follow them and then others. If the land of steemia is aware of them, then that is all we can do.

You're 100% correct! This will confirm that all accusations are correct! Their plan is to take as much money as possible until they can no longer

That's what I've concluded. They are milking this cow like there's no tomorrow and they don't care if they win or lose as they've already won

I can pretty much give you a letter of intent from them.

Haejin: See, here's how it happened. I had been doing TA in the commodity arena for quite a while with moderate success, then I invested in Bitcoin and some other cryptos and made a ton (I know everyone else did too, but in my case, it was because of TA). Well, I saw an opportunity in the crypto arena because there were a lot of new investors in crypto and they would be more likely to give my TA a shot. So I decided to start small with a blog and a youtube channel. Man did I get lucky with the timing. I started blogging steemit because I liked the idea that I could earn while blogging, plus it was one of the biggest crypto-centric blog site out there filled with my customer base. After a little while, I met Scarlet7 while I was looking for soemone to build my website and run marketing for me. Scarlet was the one who came up with the idea for Rancho. He asked if I had any rich friends that would buy a lot of Steem and upvote me as payment for commissions I had earned. I remembered my old buddy Craig, who you guys know as Rancho.
I called Rancho to convince him to invest in steem. He was reluctant at first, but I told him the same thing I told all my follwers; that Steem was going to $14 and SBD to $22. I had made him some money in the past, so he begrudgingly went with the plan. But he had a condition, a time limit. He is going to pull his money out when the market for Steem tops out or when he gets tired of it.
We knew that we couldn't acknowledge a connection between us, so we waited a while for him to upvote us. When he did, we made sure to send messages to him as if we didn't know him. We even asked him to do a few posts to make him seem more legit. We then waited a few weeks and started having him upvote all of our posts.

It was good for about a week then that pesky marky mark noticed and all hell broke loose. To be honest, we didn't expect it to cause that much of an uproar. I mean sure, we were lined up to make millions, but we weren't upvoting our own stuff, right? I mean we were, but still... Anyways, mark drew the attention of the meanie whale Bernie with his infamous post. At first, I wasn't that concerned. I knew the allegations against me, but I made sure to never mention rancho by name, not to my followers nor accusers. In fact, I don't think I mentioned his name until I had him start downvoting for me. See, I never expected Bernie and his "band of thugs" to actually be able to zero out my posts. Before this, I acted very nonchalant, but when that happened, I was distraught. I mean there went my plan. Anyway, I told all of my followers to join so they could upvote me, but I learned real quick that their upvotes meant nothing, so I started telling them to invest...I used the same spiel that it was going to $14 etc. I forgot to tell them that it would take 13 weeks for them to get their money back, lol woops. Anyway, a lot of them are trying to pull out their money. I've come to realize that I don't really need them anyway. It turns out that Bernie is reluctant to waste all his voting power to bring my posts down and he is unable to garner support from hardly anybody except for a few minnows who I downvote into oblivion. So I guess the joke's on you guys.

So to answer your question, my intent is to ride Rancho's upvote for as long as I can until he decides to pull his money out. Hopefully steem starts to rise a bit as I predicted a few weeks ago (back when it was at like $6 something). That way Rancho might believe me and stick around for the $14 I promised him. Until then, I have to milk it for as many posts as possible.

Legal Disclaimer: This is only my opinion, make of it what you will. What does this mean? It means it's only meant for use as informative or entertainment purposes.

This is exactly how the letter would look!

Wouldn't it be enough if we all flagged them? As a newbie I have little power, and it is discouraging to find people like them taking advantage of this platform. Aren't there systems in place to prevent this behaviour?

Yes it sure would be enough! If minnow on Steemit stepped up it would be enough!

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke Source

Hi @hendrix22, another day, another battle on Steemit.

Yes! Another day another battle!

where are all the good whales? What are they saying and doing about any of this? Who are the whales? How many are there? Do they care? If there were never any filters put into place so that people dont or can't do what they are doing, what is to stop them. Not everyone has ethics. Unfortunately someone will copy them at some point in time, unless of course they kill it for the rest of us. In which case someone will copy Steemit and once again we will rise to the top.

There was a big ninja mine at the start of STEEM. Which is why STEEM is so unevenly distributed.

I have always wondered if someone might not start over, like ZCL is a restart of Z Cash but a more even initial distribution of the coin.

Well I am really new to this, but in my opinion we will see several new things come along in due time.

The big problem with haejin is that his posts do not explicitly constitute abuse. He is not spamming nor plagiarizing.

true .. he will not stop nor anyone like that

I love it sir, and i am very very like this post... I support you because you care about the fate of all the steemians. May God help you and all of us. God bless you sir..

Thank you very much! Something needs to change here!

I strongly agree with your opinion sir,,and I am sure god will help us through the power of whales that exist in this platform

Yes! One day at a time my friend!

He oppresses you, even the gift given #dtube is cleared by him. This is an insult to this platform.

By just viewing the status of this haejin guy I can see the problem, and I'm glad steemit has people who are willing to risk it all for the sake of the community.... Keep fighting the good fight

Thank so much for your support! It needs to be stopped! We are Change!

Maybe you r right and giving a try is always there.. need aome efforts for catching the sacmmers.
Thx buddy for post

Thanks for your support!!

I work hard to at least 1 dollar at 1 day

Yes and so do so many others! Soon you will earn nothing if this keeps up! I'm fighting for YOU!

Thanks dear handrix

I saw the flag on your post two days ago by them, believe me I was appalled, it really hurt me that your rewards are being taken away, it seems the war is being fought but nobody is listening I think it's time haejin and you and the rest of other people who are seeking the betterment of this community come together under a round table and probably discuss terms on what is right and wrong, I feel the flags is doing you harm,

However, this decentralization things seems like it ain't working, maybe it's really time to address this issue.

I'm just stating my views I only don't know what you may think.

I agree with the propostrus deals and money but I think it's time to really come to reason and resolve this

The more that haejin flags, the less vote power he has to self vote his own shit posts. It's a win'win! Even better when rancho flags! Wasting their vote power is a beautiful thing!

Well I wouldn't bet against it really, thanks for the reply once again

yeah man ...i also agree with you ..@josediccus

Definitely something needs to be done. I cannot back down for the communities sake I will continue until resolved!

I definitely revere your resolve, I hope it's gets done

Hi @hendrix22, thanks for to flag these scammers.

Your Welcome! Hopefully the community will be able to overcome this!

Today there is a group of users that is making life impossible for followers, haejin is rewarding it with the red flag for those who comment on the publications of this haejin.

there is a group that has already realized what is happening

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If the accounts aren't @haejins own random accounts then they are just idiots who are choosing a side in hopes of getting upvoted

what they do not know is that this person does not help anyone with their vote, which is the sad reality ..

Of course not!

They are actually reasonable people who have had no choice but to examine this issue from both sides and declare that haejin is offering a great learning tool and should be rewarded for it, and a lot of other people are jealous or just enjoy trolling. It doesn't surprise me at all to see you are a hardcore conspiracy theorist, because that is what it would take to concoct the storyline you present here in your posts. Please, find something better to do with your time.

inb4 "you're another haejin account"

These flags are issued by berniesanders. He has stated several times that he will flag anyone who comments on any of haejin's articles. Don't know about that specific scenario though.

Reputation will be a huge part of this expirience so if people are cheating the system it'll catch up with them eventually down the road.

Even if the money aspect of this place wasnt a thing ~ The social free discussion is worth its weight in gold when the rest of the internet is turning 'corporate douche' advertisement garbage mode.

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Thanks for the attempt at peaceful resolution~ I'm still too much of a noob here to fully understand the full situation tbh.

Best of luck!

You coming by my post and supporting and commenting means so much to me. Thank you for cementing my original feelings deeper into my soul. I am doing the right thing here. This needs to stop!

The first person we observed discussing this matter was bernie anders....

But he was spamming to get his msg out, so thus why we are still incredibly confused at the situation.

I mean he makes more spamming people about this issue then Lynds does on her amazing posts and I don't understand why.Screenshot_20180205-092148.png

Why I am confused how haejin is scamming posting daily about the crypto market (most of the top earners we see are those types of people.)

Meanwhile Bernie is spamming everyone who comments on these posts and making money.

Hope everything can be resolved.
(I also hope I can come to understand the full situation better)

Bernie is creating those posts on purpose to induce flags from @haejin and @ranchorelaxo on his own posts. If they flag him then they will have less power to upvote themselves with

I shall continue impartially observing to better understand the full situation? but am mega grateful for the clarification. Ty ☆☆☆

He definitely know's trading ~
His language is proficient in demonstrating his knowledge.

He's a wallstreet boy!

I see what you were trying to explain now @hendrix22
Let him be an ass don't even let him focus on on you while we turn this place into the healing wave it already is.

Those greedy fucknuggets will get what's coming to them eventually beautiful peeps!

Thanks for your courage btw We will need it for the peace wave dealing with the asshats sending out all the spam bots trying to convince people (mostly the young kids who don't know any better) a sack of lies.

Dear @hendrix22.
I came across your post via resteem by @lyndsaybowes. I am quite new here on this platform with 30 days running and got aware of the @haejin problem quite early through @berniesanders, yet @ranchorelaxo is new to me. I want to show you my respect that you speak out what you do with your real face and your real voice and that you are not afraight of repression. You put your thoughts in clear order and seem to know what your talking about. Thank you for being so clear.
Moritz

Well thank you for coming by and giving your respect and support it's much appreciated!

You are very welcome. I guess people like you are the ones that make this platform a better place to be. Thank you.

Thank you for standing up for the community. What can I / we do to support you?

You are already doing it! Support is key

The post was well intentioned, but I believe ultimately naive.

What we are seeing are the behaviors and outcomes possible in a Proof Of Stake system.

Just because you show up with a lot of fiat, and are a giant whale, doesn't mean you are not a total asshole, that has no sense of community.

To be fair to @haejin and relaxo, there are many other whales on the platform that are also assholes, with no sense of community.

And keep in mind that these giant whales, really have a very very small amount of fiat at risk. There will be lots of bigger fish that may be attracted to steemit.com if the price of SBD and STEEM keeps rising.

Ultimately POS crytpos are going to have challenges attracting the really really big money from major investments, because of the issues we are currently seeing - asshole whales can be very disruptive.

Please be clear I am not supporting what @haejin or relaxo are doing as reasonable, or good for the community, or anything but completely selfish and based on greed.

But is anyone really surprised? 100% of the people you know and interact are angels?

I read your comment twice to make sure I understand. Two wrongs don't make a right. So, if other whales or people are doing the same thing then then also need to be stopped! I don't think we should turn a blind eye just because others are or have done it in the past. It's perfectly clear that @haejin and @ranchorelaxo are taking heaps of money from the platform and I will continue to fight this because it is not right

Well said! Thanks for continuing to bring this donkey-shit to the light babe.

What else can we do really? We need to step up to make the change!

Whale wars hurt minnows

@sweetsssj is another user that is in her own special category. The rewards pool has never been raped by a prettier asian. LOL

Nothing personal & I was only quoting another posters comment.

Yes I know. I'm aware of that as well. Unfortunately I can only battle one issue lol

No probs. At least I know at least one other does

Steemit works in such a way that we as stake holders are the governing body. It is up to us to flag the posts to lower the rewards. The problem the retaliation is crushing people's blogs. This is something I have to sacrifice in order to make Steemit better for everyone as well as keep the damn thing alive

Can anonymous flags to be implemented on HF20?

I'm not sure what can and can't be implemented or if it even will. I am not a witness either

You have done your homework. I actually figured there was a bunch of them doing this sort of thing.

That could be something @grumpycat might be able to do something about. At least if I understand his compliance thing properly. Sure, his compliance thing is about the bid bots, but who knows.

Flagging / down votes just creates wars. IMHO

Flagging / down votes just creates wars.

I agree to disagree.

It's obviously not fun to receive downvotes, but what people must start to understand is that downvotes/flags are mostly issued whenever someone does not agree with the rewards. It's even stated "disagreement of rewards" as the first thing in the list.

Also if what you've stated above, about sweetsssj upvoting the same authors articles on the 6th day... Then that is something she's doing so others won't have a chance to flag those articles in time to reduce the rewards. Which obviously is a bad thing too. Because it should be a fair and even "playfield" for everyone so to speak.

Another thing, that is extremely bad in my opinion regarding this, is the fact that she has this much power due to @ned. And when she got this incredible delegation, she started her own vote-selling business too. Which ultimately means that she's not only upvoting her own articles with 100%. She also sells votes and apparently vote on friends or whatever, on the 6th day to enrich them as much as possible, and they're doing all of this, "under the radar".

Edit:

It could kill steem! IMHO

In my opinion there's only one thing that can kill Steemit as a platform.. And that is greed. Which we apparently have a shitload of.

I agree, sort of. The flagging that concerns me is the whale literally wiping out a minnow due to a difference of opinion on a topic.

That just means people are afraid to voice an opinion or comment in case they get downvoted by a whale.

Yeah.. And Steemit is all about being decentralized and uncensored. - But in reality, there are a great deal of censorship on this platform. But it's called "disagreements" instead.

What are they doing?

Destroying Steemit

Hello Hendrix22

We at the Crypto Empire don't tolerate spammers either.

You should join us. @amymya tells me you and @lyndsaybowes would be nice additions.

Cheers

Awesome brother!! I'm on discord @hendrix22#6556

Thanks buddy, your try will produce a positive results yeah

I hope so! Steemit means so much to so many of us and I don't want to see it collapse.

I agree with your comments in the video and it's obvious what @haejin's motives are when you see he downvoted this post.
The posts done by him were never of any interest to me, but the war between them and @berniesanders does interest me, as well as bothers me.

New users seeing this will be taken aback by this behavior and it does no good to Steemit in general.

I call upon Steemit to come up with an arbitrage solution to deal with abusers without resorting to personal vendettas or depending on single persons to take actions.

I strongly agree that there should be something implemented to stop this behaviour

Joining forces to shut down scammers on Steemit.

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Ah yes, BY UPVOTING THE SCAMMERS. OF COURSE THAT WORKS.

you are right everything must be tried first we feel the results @hendrix22

We'll see if they respond or not!

Looks like they haven't

They won't

Yep. We really need to get rid of all this spam.

To be Honest I came to Steemit because of @haejin, I still read his posts, but my upvotes are very limited to his posts. Main reason is that of what you have mentioned in this video, second because post quality has been steadily on decline the more followers he gets. Now it became more of a trend for people to upload his posts but accuracy is way below what he actually deserves. Peace be with you

It's really gotten out of hand and that's why there is a big problem

This isn't a court of law...

hahahh I know! Just trying to do something

Maybe downvoting his posts would be better. I'm trying to set up a crowd-funded spaminator (every 2.4 hours it spends 50% of a vote on downvoting spam, and 50% on upvoting good content.

I downvote every post he makes for over 3 weeks straight now!

Wow, didn't he torpedo all your posts in response? The issue is that others are following in haejin's wake, and it's going badly. I think steemit.com needs to put an upvote cap on all users: money should be a side-benefit of steemit, not the only reason people type.

What could we possibly hear from them that would make anything better?

Nothing of course! Which in turn provides further proof that they're only here to take as much as possible before the platform collapses from their actions.

I can't blame them too much. It is temping to take advantage of the system for person profit. Regardless, something must be done to prevent them from taking such a substantial portion of the rewards and voting power.

Something I would love to have an answer for is this:

Why do all of this and take 4% of the reward pool today.. When he could easily reduce the posts he makes and earn less rewards today, but earn long term instead?

Especially when he has more money than everyone on Steemit. As he has been doing whatever he does for 10+ years. So, he probably bought BTC when it was down to $1 or so... And that would obviously make him a billionaire today.

All according to himself.

It's all bogus and for show. That's the only reason I can see.

Sure, take advantage of the system, rake in 4% of the reward pool on a daily basis. Continue with all of that... But please... Start to "pay it back". Help others. Do something for anyone besides yourself. - But he won't do that, because the only thing he sees, are dollar signs before him.

Must be an awesome feeling to have enough power to silence most of the people who ever mention his name too. Along with taking the rewards away too obviously. And this has been going on for a long time, and we still haven't seen any response from Steemit Inc regarding this.

Just imagine how long Steemit would survive if @berniesanders, @thejohalfiles, @transisto, @freedom and all of these guys started to do the same thing haejin does.

Everyone would leave and Steemit would be nothing but ashes.

Blame the game and not the player? - Well... No. I blame the player even though the system are at fault.

One time I defended his followers and he used his SP to erase a lot of my rewards. When I DEFENDED his followers. He is a bully.

Well said. Now what?
I'll look tomorrow. Right now, I am channeling every thought into the Eagles hitting Brady so hard in the first half he needs a walker after that dumb ass half time dude that was bashing football this week and cashing a huge check from them.
You know Check is going to lay him out to dry again in the first half to tire out the defense. FLY EAGLES FLY and let's get to THE CLEVELAND STEEMERS on the biggest sick day of the year! If you have employees, just call tomorrow off or tell them to come in at noonish.

I hope the Eagles can win tonight as well!!

I am glad attention is being brought to this type of abuse. Props to you @hendrix22. Resteemed and upvoted!

---Homa

Thank you so much for the support my friend!!!

I must say... That you're golden. Declaration Of Intent. I love it!

Would've been awesome to see @ned's response to all of this. Especially as this has been going on for a long period of time already. Even @dan (the co-founder who left Steemit) have been downvoting haejins articles.

I can't help it, but I'm eagerly waiting for some sort of reaction or response from Steemit Inc.

I'm not sure if you'll ever see a reaction from Steemit.inc it not! My guess is they aren't really interested in getting rnvlovrd in situations at thisleb.

As this has been going on for a long period of time already, I don't think we'll see any reactions from Steemit Inc either... But I truly hope so. Because that's something the entire platform would need.

We really need to do something and soon!

aw man, I backread a lot of posts and thank you for fighting the good fight. My votes don't mean much but I hope it helps in anyway it can...

It's really gross isn't it. I will continue fighting.

Thank you!

:) You're welcome

I can't watch the video right now but I've been thinking, if STEEM prize goes like $50 my upvote will be $20, a lot of dolphins will have a high upvote value and orca's will be like $200... And so on... What is going to happen if we upvote a friend's post because we can at 100% even when it is not that worthy?

Your friend will get $20 in your case. No matter the quality of the content, because you are friends. This is already common on Steemit and we've seen that ever since the early days. People who upvotes their family members or friends posts as much as possible, no matter the quality.

I mean... Will there be flag wars everywhere?

I don't think there'll be flag wars everywhere, but I think there will always be flag wars. Mostly due to reward disagreements though. I mean, there's more than a handful of authors today who earns anything between $200 annd $500 on each post they make, and that's not a problem.

The problem is not the amount people are making from one or two of their posts. The problem is that some people never give anything back and they're making 10 posts instead of 2 per day.

Oh! I get it :)

that's great reflection.

Votes friend

Maybe you are in right way and give a best effort always there.. need an efforts for catch scam..
thanks for share buddy.....

the struggle will not betray the results.

Greeting succes from me :

@Andhika12

I have asked this question of @haejin:

"Why don't you just make one post per day? Is it necessary to be doing so many? COuld you please explain for the benefit of those who are trying to understand. Plus, why are you putting wallet addresses at the end of your posts when you are already making so much?"

He did not respond, but @klye did. He said:

"ROI - Nuff said."

You have been chirping people who are against the haejin/ranchorelaxo team for months. I've created many posts on "How I figure they're making money at the platform's expense"

Im not interested in debating with you for hours as you hope one day you'll get a special upvote from one of them for all your hard work.

I won't be stopping anytime soon

Feel free to explain how what they're doing is helping the platform! I would love to hear where you're coming from.