You're still missing the point.
Visitors are not expected to read a post from 2 months ago to know you are running a coin miner on the site.
Do I have to write a note on my website every time somebody discovers sliced bread? Umm, sorry, browser mining. It was there for more than 2 months. Not 2 days, not 2 weeks. 2 months. Do I really have to pat you on the back every time I change something on the site? Do I have to do this with each visitor hundreds of time?
Or it's your responsibility to stay informed? Even more, if you think there's something going on, wouldn't be more ethically correct to first contact me and get information from the source, rather than inferring that I'm stealing $30 from my mom (that was weird, dude)?
I'm asking this question again: do you know what you're talking about? Did you study the JSEcoin mining algorithm and can certify that it steals processing power in a sneaky way? Or are you just putting together the word "mining" with the word "browser" and suddenly get scared and "sheriffy", just like that?
P.S. You're right, it's scapegoat but I really prefer "escape goat". It has a Spanish flavor in it. Glad something made you chuckle after all.
No, but if you are going to use a machine to mine coins you should. Every instance this has come up for any other site, the response has been the same. People hate it, they think it is unethical and it should be opt-in.
It is not my job to search the internet before using a site to find out if they are hijacking my CPU to mine coins.
No, not really, it was pretty black and white what was going on, you were using a coin miner. It's not something that needs to be discussed if it is happening or not happening. It is what it is, no discussion would change changed that. The point about your mom (and no this isn't a mom joke, but I have lots of those) is saying you did something and then it being hidden somewhere (yes I know, immutable public blockchain) that you did it is not acceptable for visitors of a website that don't even know who the hell you are much less you wrote a post almost 3 months ago.
I don't see how we will get anywhere discussing this further. I think we just disagree which is perfectly fine.
And what I find more disturbing is that even when confronted with this knowledge about how other legit businesses deal with it, ie, removing the miner, he doesn't align himself with integrity and transparency, as the other companies have done. This is the thing which is surprising.
FWIW I didn't start the discussion, you did. But I agree, it doesn't go anywhere.
We can safely live in a world in which we can gently disagree with each other. No need for drama or name calling.
But in my defense, I was 100% open about this all the time and I didn't "hijack" anyone's power. Not more than a poorly designed website or Wordpress plugin can do, that is. And I'm helping a new startup through its launch phase and I support a new type of blockchain, etc. It wasn't in any way "sneaky".
I think this is the most important thing, moving forward. It can appear scamy because it's been used covertly elsewhere, so extra diligence is required if you're going to use it. At this early stage of the technology I think you have to go beyond the minimum. I think that's the best long term business strategy.
Well, can you do that explicitly at least until JSEcoin fixes their notificatuon function? I think you cannot be free from this argument without doing something like that. JSEcoin claimes their script wont affect user experience but there are bug reports that someone see 100% cpu usage with that. My laptop got extremely slow as well when I open steem.supply site.
From FAQ
Is there any specific legalese we need to put on our site?
This is new technology, we only launched publicly last week, so we haven’t had any legal issues or guidance to contend with. The privacy notice is displayed by default. Users also have the option to opt-out across the entire network. I think if you want to be proactive it wouldn’t hurt to put something in your own terms such as “MySite.com uses background cryptocurrency mining. To opt-out please visit https://jsecoin.com/privacy/“.
Will include a foot-note in the next steem.supply update.
Also contacted them about improving the notification banner functionality: https://jsecoin.com/forums/topic/opt-in-opt-out-features-for-the-privacy-banner/#post-1547
Thanks for your contribution to this discussion.
If it involves using their CPU to mine, yes
If it involves a minor modification of the UI, by which I'm able to better profile your UI, then I'm still required to ask for your permission?
Where do you draw that line?
Aren't UI modifications made to increase engagement / profit?
I'm arguing for the sake of arguing right now. BTW: when was the last time you read Steemit Terms of Service?
It's up to you to figure out where to draw the line. I think this outcry could be summarized as the response to you drawing the line too far toward not not notifying.
I read the ToS every now and again in detail, this kind of thing is one my interests, especially regarding privacy. Why do you mention it?
No, it's not. Everybody has a different idea about where that line should be drawn. Standards are created by finding the "average" or an accepted consensus.
This thing is very new and there is no consensus about it because there isn't enough history to build a consensus upon. And the standard reaction to something new, not yet standardized, is fear. This outcry is because people are fearing I'm stealing from them. When they don't understand something, they just assume the worse.
It doesn't need to be that way, but way too many of us are still prisoners to the limbic brain, reacting to things and not acting towards things. It's still the fear that drives a lot of people in this world, and this outburst is probably the best proof of it.
As for Steemit ToS, I asked because I can just squeeze a line in the steem.supply ToS (when I'll add that section) and you will never see it, but I will be covered. If I really want to be a bad guy.
I'm tired of this.
I'll leave you do it then, just throwing my opinion into the ring here.