It's not just about great content from my experience here@Steemit. I see new ppl coming in making $20+ just for an introduction WITHOUT any m0ney but the free S.P. that was given and I haven't even yet made this much lol
I'm not mad anymore however as I just like being here and receiving great content. I finally found a h0me ;)
Those great bloggers also have big m0ney in there wallets which of course helps with there rewards and so, they deserve it! I 100% agree with @reddust@andytherbg, flagging is for trolls.
A lot of trolls here will now hate by flagging someone because they are jealous of what someone else is making. Take this childish app off the APP ;)
It's going to push ppl away from Steemit(some)
Hey, @tradz I think that a whale can reap the same rewards from any user not only from the same users. That's the reason why a lot of new users quit because they try, they earn few cents while others make hundreds of dollars every post they make. So, the new users don't have the nerves and the courage to continue when they see something like that.
I'm not complaining about that, I just share my opinion.
We have @curie that helps newbies, I benifited from this group when I first started posting. Now I am on my own and it's okay, I lost a lot of money coming in when I lost my newbie status and curie dropped me.
I'm not that great of an artist or writer and I work very hard on my art. I'm not hurt at all when someone's art that doesn't look as good as mine makes triple what I make. Art is so subjective and it's also about networking, luck, who you know, whose hand you kiss that wears the kings ring, which I loath doing. But I am trying to be more social I really am...🤑
Yes, I know we have @curie to help the newbies, but do we really need someone to tell us that we must the new users? This is what everyone should do in the first place, to help the new users to adapt and, they should do the same with the next generation. Like family does, but there is something else involved like money and people forget about everything when it comes to money.
@the-future, I worked as a paralegal in probate, family is the worst for being irrational and greedy over money and power. We need a free market with a large middle class to support The minnows and dolphins and be able to combat greedy whales.
@the-future I respect your opinion but I feel that by not having this flagging power it will make ppl actually invest into STEEM//Steemit with their own money . Getting 0nes rewards up f0r investing into the platform(becoming a better blogger 0r investing ones own money) can be a good thing!
IDK I'm 0ver it! I'm happy here regardless, Steem-0n!
I respect your opinion too man and first I also believed that without flagging system will be much better, but how you fight against plagiarism or people who make a post to say only bad words about a person. There has to be a system to protect people from this kind of things.
Plus, I have seen lately that people are using 1% of their power to upvote a post( to make a good thing) but they are using 100% to downvote ( to make a bad thing). I believe that should be vice-versa, but it's only my opinion. It will be amazing to see a platform where people only helps each other and they try to prosper all together at the same time, not only a few of them.
I've made that much on my 4th month and 2nd if you count when I started posting, around my 20th post because of val-a and company built up everything from the ground up even below the ground if you take into account that I was waiting on curation rewards for months I agree with you we all do I guess or most of us at least :)
Cheers @reddust and @abit for holding the conversation although a bit is somewhere sending the drops :D
@tradz it's been pushing people the whole experience needs a bit of a uplift.
I don't know about that, if you create great post every day you should be rewarded. However, I think the problems is huge sp whale votes carry too much power, which is surely abused because no one is a Saint.
The steem power vested by huge whales is why bloggers can earn rewards, without the whales there are no rewards, those whales flagging to reduce rewards is how the system is designed to work, it's not abuse
I don't entirely agree. The rewards will go out to someone regardless. If whales don't vote (or as is the case here, vote opposite each other, effectively canceling out to a degree) then the power devolves to dolphins and below, but the same rewards are still paid (though probably more spread out).
I agree that was being discussed before , I don't understand why you guys can't have a consensus and "conspire" why do we need the whale fires and the flag fields.
Either than that many don't get what you have said and whine away.
Still it's not helpful to anyone to have such massive drawbacks and downtime every week or so it's taking a massive amount of attention and creation way from something productive. Sure I like the discussion. So actually it's good it's happening after all, as long as something comes out that actually gets us past these child playground politics.
Anyways thanks for being here and not actually adding flame moreover thanks for not going into the vortexes with the other fish :D You seem like a smart guy after all I'm a bit stumped on bernie, he seems ok but I'm not sure, then he lashes out at somebody. You do too sometimes but at least you are smooth at it :D
I agree, but I do not feel this is sustainable in the long run. Right now it works, but I can see a storm brewing. The reason I don't think this will work is there are not enough middle class to balance the power of the elites.
I think because the price of steem is tanking, the elites need to make changes to stop the downtrend, and flagging to reduce rewards from users who earn huge rewards everyday while not garnering the attention needed for steemit growth, is a good move to increase the price of steem. In an economy based on attention, and user growth from that attention, a meme that draws attention from hundreds of users on and off steemit deserves more rewards than a well written blog post on a topic nobody cares about
@craig-grant I think steemit is too complicated a platform for meme lovers🤓 The currency is complicated, the way rewards are earned is complicated, guilds, bots, and whales, oh my!
Those elites are in their position because they know what they are doing, and flagging to reduce rewards from bots pilling onto bloggers who earn high rewards everyday no matter what, is flagging to steer steemit in the right direction
@craig-grant, I Enjoy talking to you by the way. I must do this more often!
From what I know about people, elites or anyone for that matter, they all have an agenda that is in their own interest. I do not trust anyone because of that, especially those who hold a concentration of power. If you can flag to reduce someone's payout than you can also vote someone to the trending page every day if you wish.
@craig-grant I think steemit is too complicated a platform for meme lovers🤓 The currency is complicated, the way rewards are earned is complicated, guilds, bots, and whales, oh my!
It's not exactly guaranteed and I guaranteed vote for him because I like his style and his commitment, can he improve probably, but I like the reasoning he brings and the ideas we share sometimes.
I agree about @ozchartart, but not @steemsports, because steem sports provides a high level of value for the steem blockchain, and entertainment for users
Yes, I agree with you, and I also think that steem sports provided a high level of value, but for other was a 'bad thing' to see steem sports on trending with 3 or 4 posts every day. I don't know if I was ever in trending, but to be honest I don't want that. I just want to keep is simple and have fun how long I'm here.
Yes, back in the day that was a problem with steem sports, but the current implementation of steem sports is perfect, thanks to changes being made after users (myself included) complained and started flagging steem sports to make changes and become what it is now
Yes, they have made good changes and I think they are doing great. The reason why @smooth is downvoting those users, that were too much time on trending page is very good because there are so many people who provide a good level of value and people miss them because the whales are too busy to upvote only those users.
It's not just about great content from my experience here@Steemit. I see new ppl coming in making $20+ just for an introduction WITHOUT any m0ney but the free S.P. that was given and I haven't even yet made this much lol
I'm not mad anymore however as I just like being here and receiving great content. I finally found a h0me ;)
Those great bloggers also have big m0ney in there wallets which of course helps with there rewards and so, they deserve it! I 100% agree with @reddust @andytherbg, flagging is for trolls.
A lot of trolls here will now hate by flagging someone because they are jealous of what someone else is making. Take this childish app off the APP ;)
It's going to push ppl away from Steemit(some)
Hey, @tradz I think that a whale can reap the same rewards from any user not only from the same users. That's the reason why a lot of new users quit because they try, they earn few cents while others make hundreds of dollars every post they make. So, the new users don't have the nerves and the courage to continue when they see something like that.
I'm not complaining about that, I just share my opinion.
We have @curie that helps newbies, I benifited from this group when I first started posting. Now I am on my own and it's okay, I lost a lot of money coming in when I lost my newbie status and curie dropped me.
I'm not that great of an artist or writer and I work very hard on my art. I'm not hurt at all when someone's art that doesn't look as good as mine makes triple what I make. Art is so subjective and it's also about networking, luck, who you know, whose hand you kiss that wears the kings ring, which I loath doing. But I am trying to be more social I really am...🤑
Yes, I know we have @curie to help the newbies, but do we really need someone to tell us that we must the new users? This is what everyone should do in the first place, to help the new users to adapt and, they should do the same with the next generation. Like family does, but there is something else involved like money and people forget about everything when it comes to money.
@the-future, I worked as a paralegal in probate, family is the worst for being irrational and greedy over money and power. We need a free market with a large middle class to support The minnows and dolphins and be able to combat greedy whales.
@the-future I respect your opinion but I feel that by not having this flagging power it will make ppl actually invest into STEEM//Steemit with their own money . Getting 0nes rewards up f0r investing into the platform(becoming a better blogger 0r investing ones own money) can be a good thing!
IDK I'm 0ver it! I'm happy here regardless, Steem-0n!
I respect your opinion too man and first I also believed that without flagging system will be much better, but how you fight against plagiarism or people who make a post to say only bad words about a person. There has to be a system to protect people from this kind of things.
Plus, I have seen lately that people are using 1% of their power to upvote a post( to make a good thing) but they are using 100% to downvote ( to make a bad thing). I believe that should be vice-versa, but it's only my opinion. It will be amazing to see a platform where people only helps each other and they try to prosper all together at the same time, not only a few of them.
I've made that much on my 4th month and 2nd if you count when I started posting, around my 20th post because of val-a and company built up everything from the ground up even below the ground if you take into account that I was waiting on curation rewards for months I agree with you we all do I guess or most of us at least :)
Cheers @reddust and @abit for holding the conversation although a bit is somewhere sending the drops :D
@tradz it's been pushing people the whole experience needs a bit of a uplift.
I don't know about that, if you create great post every day you should be rewarded. However, I think the problems is huge sp whale votes carry too much power, which is surely abused because no one is a Saint.
The steem power vested by huge whales is why bloggers can earn rewards, without the whales there are no rewards, those whales flagging to reduce rewards is how the system is designed to work, it's not abuse
I don't entirely agree. The rewards will go out to someone regardless. If whales don't vote (or as is the case here, vote opposite each other, effectively canceling out to a degree) then the power devolves to dolphins and below, but the same rewards are still paid (though probably more spread out).
I agree that was being discussed before , I don't understand why you guys can't have a consensus and "conspire" why do we need the whale fires and the flag fields.
Either than that many don't get what you have said and whine away.
Still it's not helpful to anyone to have such massive drawbacks and downtime every week or so it's taking a massive amount of attention and creation way from something productive. Sure I like the discussion. So actually it's good it's happening after all, as long as something comes out that actually gets us past these child playground politics.
Anyways thanks for being here and not actually adding flame moreover thanks for not going into the vortexes with the other fish :D You seem like a smart guy after all I'm a bit stumped on bernie, he seems ok but I'm not sure, then he lashes out at somebody. You do too sometimes but at least you are smooth at it :D
I agree, but I do not feel this is sustainable in the long run. Right now it works, but I can see a storm brewing. The reason I don't think this will work is there are not enough middle class to balance the power of the elites.
I think because the price of steem is tanking, the elites need to make changes to stop the downtrend, and flagging to reduce rewards from users who earn huge rewards everyday while not garnering the attention needed for steemit growth, is a good move to increase the price of steem. In an economy based on attention, and user growth from that attention, a meme that draws attention from hundreds of users on and off steemit deserves more rewards than a well written blog post on a topic nobody cares about
@craig-grant I think steemit is too complicated a platform for meme lovers🤓 The currency is complicated, the way rewards are earned is complicated, guilds, bots, and whales, oh my!
I love philosophy and science, I'm biased.
Those elites are in their position because they know what they are doing, and flagging to reduce rewards from bots pilling onto bloggers who earn high rewards everyday no matter what, is flagging to steer steemit in the right direction
@craig-grant, I Enjoy talking to you by the way. I must do this more often!
From what I know about people, elites or anyone for that matter, they all have an agenda that is in their own interest. I do not trust anyone because of that, especially those who hold a concentration of power. If you can flag to reduce someone's payout than you can also vote someone to the trending page every day if you wish.
@craig-grant I think steemit is too complicated a platform for meme lovers🤓 The currency is complicated, the way rewards are earned is complicated, guilds, bots, and whales, oh my!
I love philosophy and science, I'm biased.
It's not exactly guaranteed and I guaranteed vote for him because I like his style and his commitment, can he improve probably, but I like the reasoning he brings and the ideas we share sometimes.
I agree with you! It's the same problem as it was with @steemsports and @ozchartart.
I agree about @ozchartart, but not @steemsports, because steem sports provides a high level of value for the steem blockchain, and entertainment for users
Yes, I agree with you, and I also think that steem sports provided a high level of value, but for other was a 'bad thing' to see steem sports on trending with 3 or 4 posts every day. I don't know if I was ever in trending, but to be honest I don't want that. I just want to keep is simple and have fun how long I'm here.
Yes, back in the day that was a problem with steem sports, but the current implementation of steem sports is perfect, thanks to changes being made after users (myself included) complained and started flagging steem sports to make changes and become what it is now
Yes, they have made good changes and I think they are doing great. The reason why @smooth is downvoting those users, that were too much time on trending page is very good because there are so many people who provide a good level of value and people miss them because the whales are too busy to upvote only those users.
Become a Whale and you will reap the same rewards, $imple as that! This world is ran by the Big B0ys Playb0i!!!