I am down voting this because this is nothing but common sense that has been posted COUNTLESS times on this site. Time for a new plan. This won't work any longer.
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I am down voting this because this is nothing but common sense that has been posted COUNTLESS times on this site. Time for a new plan. This won't work any longer.
Please rethink using the downvote in this manner. It sets quite a bad precedent. There's nothing offensive or objectionable in this post, even if you disagree with it 100%. And by the standard you are setting here, MANY other posts should be downvoted for the very same reason.
But the fact is that posts have a shelf life and ideas are going to get recycled. At the very least, new people to the platform are going to have their own take on things. Not to mention, it's understandable and expected that people will want to personally present this kind of information on their own blog to their own audience.
We should be encouraging that. Instead we're downvoting him while encouraging others to not only bash him but also to have an entitlement mentality and complain about their own lack of success on the platform? Why would we do such a thing? Are we trying to shoot ourselves in the foot here?
This is exactly what I'm thinking. Doesn't look very good that voting power is used in this way. It makes people want to go and check if its Ok to post about something posted yesterday, even a a week ago.
I thought this is what we were trying to get away from. Guess I was wrong.
The problem with the spreading of flagging abuse is a problem with the platform as it stands now (in Beta). Flagging content is essentially accusing the poster of breaking community rules and social consensus. Just like in the legal process the accuser and accusations should be prominent and clear, and for a social network like this one, it should also be extremely efficient.. My recommendations reiteration from an earlier post is 1) clearly post the social consensus (rules) on the menu bar 2) Add additional functionality to the Flagging feature which will provide username and the particular violation selected from an imbedded list. Doing this will avoid the flag abuse that is beginning to run rampant
No not at all. You can get downvoted simply for making too much money on a post if a whale decides. The curator whales decide the value of a post with or against the preferences of the community, not because I agree with the whales doing this but merely because it's an observational statement that if they have the power to do it then it's allowed. No sense in complaining about something they are allowed to do in this instance unless we will complain about it in all instances.
Refereces
https://steemd.com/crypto-news/@dana-edwards/attention-based-stigmergic-distributed-collaborative-organizations
@dana-edwards: The purpose of voting is not for any individual (including a whale curator, which I happen to be) to decide the value of a post. That's what the rewards algorithm is for.
The job of a curator is to indicate whether or not they like a post (upvote) or whether they believe a post is offensive, constitutes spam, is plagiarism, violates copyright laws, etc (in which case they should flag it).
Yes, they are "allowed" to flag a post for any reason. But that doesn't mean they are using it as it was intended, or that misusing it is in the best interest of the platform. In fact, it is not. And if they keep doing it, what we're going to start seeing a lot more of is a) downvote wars and b) cries of censorship.
I'm going to do what I can to stop that from happening.
I in fact have been making an issue of this problem, long before the incident with TDV. you can browse through my posts. Also, most of the other times I've called this out have not been whales doing the violation, but others. However the incident with TDV helped me to understand one thing: The rules are not clear. That, or my original assumptions are wrong (i don't think this is the case). You are correct that currently the whales (or anyone for that matter) can flag for any reason. My thinking is that it is an inadvertent gap in the programing. I understand that you believe it is purposely built this way. I guess we will see.
@tombstone I 100% agree.
I agree in your reply here. And the mechanism of flag (downvote) and whale (over-aggregated steempower) is creating a risk of abusive censorship - no matter what their position is.
Remember when my post was downvoted because a whale thought it was making too much money? Right, who cares.
If whales are going to downvote for arbitrary reasons then they have the power to do it. The only thing any of us can do is outline the reasons we will downvote in advance so that the reasons aren't arbitrary. I've outlined my curation criteria but I'm not a whale.
The precedent has been set already only because now it is happening to someone high profile it's blatantly obvious.
Just because the precedent has been set doesn't mean it should continue. It's bad for the platform and it should stop. I first brought this up 3 months ago.
There are no down votes in Steemit, only up votes and flagging. Flags are used for a very specific reason and that is denoting the breaking of community rules and social consensus, not a dislike of subject matter.
Yeah... but in reality it is used many times to redistribute the share of total rewards between posts... It is their right to use their voting power to do it... it is their investment... and if they want to protect it like this, they have all the rights to do it...
If one post gets smashed by a whale downvote, all the rest of posts instantly earn more money... could be your post earning more money.
The answer here ( assuming over valued posts is a problem) is to educate the market. They will do what is in their best interest. I the market perceives that things are too unfair, though actions like the one in question, they will eventually create compassion. Not to the whales best interest. Most of the whales understand that. Before you came the whales had a very pretty empty shell which produced zero.
I don't know, if I don't like a post I just ignore it, being negative isn't going to take us anywhere.
What is this downvote thing you talk about?
There is no downvote, only FLAGGING - and there are rules for flagging, you asshole.
For the record, I think this is a bad reason to down vote a post.
Thats exactly what I though right after his 2nd post, this guy is about to abuse the fame people are associating to his name. Thank you bernie for being real!
@berniesanders Upvoted you because you took a stand you believe in, whale or minnow standing up for what you believe deserves my vote for whatever it's worth.
But forget who the poster is outside of steemit and consider that this post is a change for this person in general. A person with massive appeal and a large fanbase both on and off the platform. It shows he is trying to listen to people and restate what he's learned by teaching. This posting I think was meant for the followers he's brought over since he was the first of his social group here.
To my mind that makes this post worth an upvote, because it shows rapid personal growth and a desire to teach his rapidly expanding social circle. And before anyone even thinks of downvoting me or calling me a sycophant for saying that, read the rest of my posts and comments regarding this posting.
Anyways @berniesanders steemit needs a meta site for FAQ and best practice tips, the lack of that is why you keep seeing this topic come up. Literally new comers have no way of knowing this stuff.
I like the idea of a FAQ to help everyone know what the basic rules are and best practice tips!
It is sorely missing. I've been preaching about this for quite a while. (See my other post on this blog.) I hope it comes soon.
#feelthesteembern
Thanks. Was feeling like I was being surrounded by people playing the don't.
Remind me to never piss you off...
This was wrong to do. Doesnt look good to the average user coming here to post ideas and express themselves. I dont know, just dont feel good about this.
This is still original content. Flags are for spam, plagiarism or fraud, or hate speech (trolls). Your comment and a lack of vote is the most productive and effective thing you can do.
@berniesanders
Is there a way to contact you or other people directly? If so, how does one do that?
Please don't spam like this. I almost flagging you which would seriously trash your rep, but I didn't for that reason. But flagging your comment as spam would be totally justified. Don't put yourself in the crosshair.
SteemitChat
Thank you !
Can't keep going back to the same well. Thanks for standing for something.
Bravo Bernie. This crap reads like a giant infomercial.
i'm real newbie here and looking for something to entice and inspire me. The same information in this seed might be out there and available with some searching but this was the first one I encountered that seemed to try to explain steemit to me. I'm sure I will look for other posts that can help but I have to see this one as a boon to me and not a horrendous repetitive yawnfest you seem to think it is.
And I am not one of his fans coming over from another social network..... But I saw it on my FB feed..