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RE: Are we only here to feed the narcissists?

in #steemit8 years ago

I love your view on @dollarvigilante. I listened to his podcast with @ned and @dan and yes it seemed as if he stumbled upon $15,000.

Yes he put in the work, and yes he is trying to add value to the community, but most people are only seeing blah blah blah I made $15,000 in twelve hours.

The average person joining may make $.25 with a post that took hours to write. He is promoting false hope right now even if not necessarily on purpose. Instead of talking about the money, he should focus on other aspects of steemit.

I'll be honest, I do believe he is an asset, but will also cause new users to become more frustrated without similar success. He put in a lot of hard work before and is now reaping those rewards.

I actually just finished a piece on whether Money Is The Root Of All Evil I think if @dollarvigilante takes his new found fame in a different direction and chooses to give a lot of what he made to others (essentially investing in people) He will add far more value than he currently does.

Right now, while I understand his points, he is mostly causing jealousy. I fall in the middle though and do feel all different sorts of people should be welcome from those that keep wealth for their own gains and those that give most away. I fall into the latter position and would be happy to chat with @dollarvigilante and have had a brief comment exchange together.

He is very new, and hopefully the community will encourage him and bring him along a path towards helping others share wealth (which I believe is what steemit is really all about) There is plenty of money to spread.

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Hello. I am new as well, and I believe that no matter what, value is added. He bagged $15,000. Wouldn't that be great if we all could do that? Although he gives a bit of a mixed message, he is bringing many into the fold. Yes, some will stay but most will not. I know that this year I might not even reach the $1000 mark, because my wife and I are trying for a motor home to start living off the land, but I will get something.
I am trying to post, funny, happy, goofy stuff, just to catch eyeballs, and maybe upvotes so we can get that motor home.
Thank you for your post, I liked it and I have followed you as well.
:D

Absolutely. I think @dollarvigilante adds a LOT to the platform while unintentionally promoting what is wrong with the platform. People need to let him and others that they can use their influence in a more productive way.

It's healthy criticism, not whining.

...but most people are only seeing blah blah blah I made $15,000 in twelve hours.

He is promoting false hope right now.

It's amazing how patronizing you are. So you do realize these expectations are baseless, yet you think other people are more stupid than you and they will become victims of "false hope".

This kind of attitude manifests a hidden feeling of superiority. It's well concealed behind the noble feeling of trying to help. It's your ego playing tricks on you. If you can figure out these hopes are false, so can other people, if they choose to.

He put in a lot of hard work before and is now reaping those rewards.

And this is exactly what @dollarvigilante wrote about in one of his posts. I cannot imagine him being more clear about it.

I actually was someone who would have immediately been drawn by the lure of money and solely focused on that were it not for people like @rok-sivante and @stellabelle taking me under their wings. I'm not trying to be superior to anyone, but that being said I do feel that I view money differently than most. Is Money The Root Of All Evil I hope can back me up on that. I have the same problem and value money too much sometimes.

At the same time, Ive seen far more this is a scam/circle jerk posts than I wish. Part of that is due to the sheer amount of content. Even great writers will get frustrated after a few attempts making little money and may become negative.

Post by Rok this is one of my favorite articles of rocks that changed my perspective on money.

I like what @dollarvigilante is doing by promoting steemit and of course there will be some great writers that come to steemit because of him. But also some that will see the picture saying $15k was made, not read the rest, sign up and start posting. It's not right or wrong, but the success of new people is critical to the long term growth.

I don't feel superior to anyone and have found satisfaction in being taught what true joy is by some of the poorest people I know who decided to share what little they had with me in the Dominican, and have spent time crying with those who lost loved ones in Katrina.

I am flawed though and sometimes I'm sure my ego gets the best of me and I may feel superior, but that is not my intention.

I'm glad that you pointed that out, and I probably shouldn't have phrased it as blah blah blah $15k. I try really hard to help all people that need it regardless of whether it makes me a dime. Sometimes I get rewarded in my wallet, sometimes I add value keeping a user here that may be frustrated.

I value your opinion so hopefully this explains my ideas a little more thoroughly as I would prefer to be known as a servant who helps others. It's what brings me the most joy.

I hope you believe what I say, but that is completely up to you to decide. (I personally love your work and appreciate positive or negative comments and will take yours to heart and try to think through my comments more in subsequent posts) :) thanks @innuendo

Thank you @bendjmiller222 for your comment. I really appreciate the way you reacted - it shows a great attitude. It's amazing that we can disagree but still have a civilized discussion here.

You see, I perceive Steem as a big experiment, both economic and social. You are right - there will be people who will get very disappointed and @dollarvigilante 's message might be misconstrued by many.

But my point is this: let them experience this disappointment, let's not protect them from going through this process, as this is a very valuable process. Some of them will end up being bitter and angry, but some of them will transgress and make progress when dealing with false hope. This is all good. This is part of the Steem experiment. It needs to hurt, otherwise you make no progress.

So let people be exposed to the full power of Steem experience. In some cases this means being generously rewarded. In other cases this involves dealing with illusions about our skills or false hope & disappointment - but these can also be turned into valuable experience. For me, this is what freedom is about: we remove the protection and open up to whatever comes to us.

Very good perspective, and I agree to a point.

However, we have to be careful about just assuming that the system is perfect as-is and that we can just run the experiment and expect everything is fine. We are in a beta for a very good reason. Things are not balanced yet.

It reminds me of the game Magic the Gathering. The format right now is not balanced, which doesn't mean that everyone should be equal, it means that the incentives and algorithms of the platform aren't dialed in perfectly in order to keep it growing as it should.

The potential is certainly there, and this healthy dialogue is what is going to get us there, not some sort of wishful thinking that everything is going swimmingly and that it's just the naysayers that have the problem.

Anyway, hope to hear more from you! Gotta give props to people that are willing to listen to others that don't agree yet still give them an upvote! Your family raised you right! ^^

I agree with you on that. I posted a reply on another users response and have kind of changed my opinion in a way.

I guess any way to bring people here is valuable and the community can help new people learn the ropes and try to encourage them and use constructive criticism.

Anyone has the ability to be successful here if they continue to grind and take little bits of advice learned from those with more success.

But you are right that coddling people is not going to truly benefit steemit either. I think we can agree on that.

Your comment made me reread what I posted and look at it from your perspective and I can definitely see that I did not come across as I hoped.

I'm just taking a guess but with a reputation as high as yours, I am sure you have faced your fair share of jealous people flagging content out of jealousy without repercussions. I think I may have come up with a way to combat that as I myself often wonder why someone might have flagged content I created. I'd love to have you weigh in, as your ideas are valuable. New Content Flagging System With Feedback. Hopefully it prevents people from losing money and reputation if enough people agree it is necessary.