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reason is not fact.
what else could it be?

There you go, using reason again even though it's a fiction.

yup..just like you are.
Ever do any mathematical proofs?
The reasoning can be PERFECT.
but if your precepts are incorrect...it's wrong.

I'm not the one insisting that reason is a fiction.

So unless you can reason as to how what I described is incorrect - that there are not first principles from which law (duties and obligations) can be derived - I suggest we move on from this point.

Once again, using social pressure to effect change has a well-established track record. Moreover, in a society where coercion is universally rejected, that's the only method for effecting non-violent change.

and I believe in miracles..do you?
oh wait..I don't.
and you accuse ME of fiction?
like I said...any society larger than a clan is insane.
violence is the norm.

Cool story, bro. You should stop using reason if you think it's a fiction. Just saying; consistency is important.

well it's pretty obvious that you no longer want to engage in discussion since you resort to ridicule.
I'll leave you with this.
Check out seasteading...go to the site and read the book (I made a post about it)
It would appear to me that if your miracle has any hope of occring it will occur on the high sea.

One more thing.
I stated that there is only fact or fiction.
then I asked you if reason was a fact.
you never responded..about then you resorted to ridicule.
so I guess I know the answer.