Will Steemit Become the New Youtube? The "Partnership Program", Elsagate, and the Future of Steemit.

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There's been a great deal of controversy as of late over Youtube's decision to exclude smaller channels from being able to monetize their videos. If you have less than 1,000 subs and they total less than 4,000 hours of watch time, you simply don't get to put ads on your videos, and as such you can't make any money.

The way I hear it there are some good arguments for this. It weeds out a lot of spam accounts, a lot of scammers and channels that upload other peoples' content apparently (though it's not clear how, at least not to me).

For Youtube to make money, companies have to buy ads. They won't want to buy ads if there's a chance those ads could appear on a video they find objectionable for one reason or another.

For example imagine some tiny white supremacist channel that monetizes its videos. Would most advertisers want to be associated with such a channel? It's easy to see their side of it. But this basically means if you're small enough, Youtube doesn't give a shit about your existence and has cut off the bottom rung of the ladder, so to speak.

I have long disliked what Youtube is increasingly turning into. The Elsagate scandal only happened because Youtube is so machinelike in how it optimizes for rewarding content that ticks certain boxes (making it the most possible ad revenue) that naturally, the content which makes the most money is equally machinelike.

If you constrain the ability of content creators to make money, it will shape the sort of content which results. The tighter those constraints, the narrower the variety in content.

It seems like their endgame is bland, homogenized, family friendly pablum advertisers will feel safe putting their ads on and which nobody could possibly find objectionable.

You know what sort of entertainment nobody finds objectionable? Marmaduke. Family Circus. Heathcliff. Garfield, post 2000. It's like a samey, flavorless beige paste. There is no worthwhile entertainment which offends no one.

This is because humanity is such a diverse group, any content which has anything meaningful to say, or which expresses any specific meaning whatsoever will inevitably upset at least one of the countless human subcultures out there.

Steemit hopefully has escaped this outcome by not being ad based. Whether their present business model is sustainable remains to be seen. Youtube has yet to make a profit, or so I have heard, so their business model apparently isn't.

Perhaps it is not Steemit which will become more like Youtube, but the reverse? Perhaps Youtube will announce their own ICO soon. It would not surprise me.

It does exhibit some of the same problems already though, with respect to impatient, uncreative users trying to game the system. Figuring out what's the least possible effort they can put in while getting a useful amount of money out.

Spammers are the biggest culprits, but just like Youtube there are many Steemit accounts which do little else besides reposting other peoples' content (usually memes).

I don't have the solution. The best I could think to do was to shine a light on the problem and illustrate by comparison with the present state of Youtube what Steemit might turn into, should it take the same series of wrong turns that Youtube did.

This is a cautionary tale then, but of the non-fiction variety. It's my hope that those associated with the running of this site will see this post, closely study what factors turned Youtube into the bland corporate pablum factory it is today, and chart a course for the future of this website which avoids that outcome.

A great many of us have come to love this community. Many of us rely on the income it generates, but have also put down roots, making lasting friendships with other Steemians. It's no longer just an experiment. The findings are in, it's a success by every metric.

What's left now is to make the best choices going forward in shaping what Steemit becomes, so that it will be a permanent fixture of the internet rather than a flash in the pan. Or worse, the shambling zombie that Youtube turned into.


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TJ Kirk (the amazing atheist) just joined steemit yesterday https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@tjkirk/tj-kirk-comes-to-steemit-and-d-tube

We're getting a lot of youtubers. Good news everyone!
Maybe.. I mean, will make it harder for us minnows to get votes with big stars on the platform I think.

Wow, thanks for the heads up.

We got @theneedledrop recently also. He maybe lesser known.. but also a bigger youtuber

Damn, that's going to drive a lot of growth, which will be good for everybody that stands to make money from an increasing price of STEEM.

It is not surprising to me that if near future people use steemit for monitize their content and as a social media network instead of youtube and facebook.
The future is here and we are enjoying it.

This community and its platform is incomparable. It's benefits and usefulness is really awesome! Keep steeming everyone.

yes, absolutely no doubt in it... I can surely tell u that this community is the future :)

We are now increasingly rivals in social media with steemit.com

How the Senior's Opinion on the web www.yours.org

Does yours.org strengthen the steemit position or vice versa?

Youtube had no other choice. With all violence and racism that was popping like mushrooms out of nowhere.
By the way four thousand hours is not much at all. And if you need more 500 subs I can give you them)

I've accumulated 530 subs since 2007. I wish gaining more was that easy.

Yes, it's not an easy task to gain real fan subs, of course! And need a lot of hard work.

But I can just ask people to join your channel for a small fee in $ that I will pay them.
Even though they will not be the real fans but at least you will be able to monetise your videos after getting 1000 sub mark.
If you want I can do it in a couple of days, just let me know)

Even though it won't feel as good as getting the 1000 mark on your own.

very good information @alexbeyman, I really agree with you say. I also often see videos on youtube because I love watching youtube. But many publishers are taking other people's videos for him to publish. I am so uncomfortable watching it, because the picture is already blurred. Hopefully youtube will soon eradicate the publisers who take videos of others. Thanks for sharing.... :)

It was pretty shocking when I heard that Youtube did that. Clearly they didn't give a lot of small and struggling channel owners any space.

Partnership on steemit. It can work out one day. Just steemit is now like youtube in the earlier days. Not censored at all. And any kind of thing and NSFW stuff can appear.

Youtube had clearly no proper algorithm to catch all these. The only thing that set up was to identify if you had added any copyright music to your video. The actual content in itself was in no way really regulated.

Hope it won't become as cancerous though

I really think excluding ads will prevent it. Giving advertisers that much control over the constraints that content creators work under is a deal with the devil. Short term profits, long term decline.

You're so nice for commenting on this post. For that, I gave you a vote! I just ask for a Follow in return!

I don't think Steemit will become the new youtube as it is. Just because its learning curve could be quite a problem for newcomers. Without newcomers, this jus't could not work.

But i really think a lot of youtubers will come to steemit. People who actually use this kind of activity beyond a hobby and are not that afraid of numbers and stuff. This is a platform without all those rules that are actually hurting youtube instead of helping.

Now, about the "youtube crypto"... Is the same thing with the "facebook crypto". Those platforms are all about control. I don't see how could they implement this without changing all what they are, fundamentally.

I was trying to make a youtube channel but now with these new rules I wont even bother trying anymore and just focus on steemit.

I'm really glad Dtube has been improving their usability and reliability. A real viable alternative to YouTube has been sorely missing.

I don't even buy the advertiser friendly argument put forth by YouTube. I think the demonetization is basically a soft form of intentional censorship.

You'll notice that big corporations have no problems with their ads playing during TV shows with extreme violence, foul language and even rape or suggested rape. Yet they are worried about libertarian ideas, government corruption and basically anything unconventional being offensive? Give me a break.

Youtube?
Youtube no doubt is a great platform but as a steemit lover, i would rather say I'll too far high than youtube in a couple of years.
So, keep supporting the newbies and keep creating awesome content like you are doing.
God bless you dear.

It would be great if the steem ecosystem destroys the big monopolies like Google, Facebook, Youtube and Twitter.

But to make this happen, steem has to grow a lot.

Dtube and Steepshot imho are very promising projects showing how diruption could work.

Sunny Regards from Germany,

Sebastian | @naanoo

If there is a mass exodus of content creators from Youtube over to Steemit, then drastic near term growth is guaranteed. All it will take is a couple of big names to jump ship and the rest will follow.

Yes. I agree. They would take their audience with them. Let's cross out fingers for that scenario!

Elsagate scares the shit out of me, and ever since I read about it I worry whenever a student spends their leisure time on YouTube. When I first joined Steemit, procedurally generated crap was the first thing that came to mind when rewards for posting content is a thing. Hopefully the site's demographic will remain adult so the viewers will have the cognitive ability to recognize weird crap.

@alexbeyman,
You talked about a good point! I do have a YouTube channel :D But not earning well :D Anyway we are on a blockchain, so hard to monitor every inch like centralized DB based system!

Cheers~

Time shows :) YouTube now limits your earning opportunities so it is very possible, that people will be looking for new ways and new places for their videos.

wow..this is amazing..the future is gonna be very revolutionary :)

UToob has pretty much turned into "Always Corporate...all the time"
It's a pretty good place to watch 'infomercials'.
............but that's about all.

Their time is just about up. They're going to go the same way as Myspace.

I think so too.
aww.
too bad...so sad.

I have ran into a lot of issues lately trying to get my channel where I talk about crypto currencies monetized. I wayyyyyyy beyond the threshold they have suddenly set now so there shouldn't be an issue but it has been months and I still haven't been approved.

The future I believe is a combination of ad revenue and tokenization. If the advertisers don't want to play ball then fuck 'em.

I feel as though I've got my own blog post to write in concert with the views you've outlined here. It could be a strange, masculine duet of sorts.

I'll be brief, something I'm not good at doing.

We're the avant-garde, and YouTube, et al; are the established, the "institute", we could be considered the outsider artists, who can freely push the boundaries (of which there are none), which would be crushed under the thumb of a machine algorithm elsewhere.

Hope that made sense. I'm very sleepy today!

"It could be a strange, masculine duet of sorts."

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I'm also so glad we have no advertisments here,although that's a source of money making for people in youtube.
Thanks fo making out time to write this

I don't even think Youtube could be compared to a shambling zombie, more of a crawling one who's missing its lower half. I truly find it so sad what youtube has turned into after being a creator on there on and off for 10 or so years.

I don't think the recent change on there however is a bad thing. The little people like me don't make shit anyways, I've made literally 0.60 over the past 2 years with several thousand views on monetized videos. I saw a lot of people getting discouraged, but it doesn't change the fact that they'll have to grind and build their fan base up on the site if they ever wanna make real money. Youtube is a slow sinking ship anyways, so what does it matter, lol.

It matters to me because I use them for free hosting of the videos that I monetize here on Steemit. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There's always Dtube, bro. That's what I've been using for my video uploads to Steemit lately since it's integrated into Steemit. If they ever go down, just switch over to that.

Last I checked it was still extremely buggy. Is that still the case? How much has it been fleshed out in the past few months?

I wouldn't say it is really buggy, at least I haven't had any issues except once where it took like 50-60 minutes to upload a video because I was so far back in the queue for no reason. I've uploaded around a dozen videos thus far and that was the only problem I had with it.

By the way, looks like you're mostly back up to your normal payouts today. I told you it was just a weird little bump :P

Mostly, yeah. I can't complain though, so long as SBD doesn't drop way down I'm set.

Well, if it for some reason does I'll be depending on you to sacrifice more chickens. Otherwise I'll have to go hold a sign up outside that says "I like holding signs".

Arise, chicken! Chicken, Arise!

yes of course, steemit is even much better then yotube, I worked 3 years on my yotube channel to get 74 dollars on balance without payment, you can check my video about that on dtube.

Well the one issue with the whole Youtube requiring people to reach the certain threshold to monetize videos won't change much. I feel like there is enough autowatcher and sub-4-sub services out there that people will get over that amount one way or another...

Even though I have been eligible for ads on YouTube, they censor what may be monetized. I Interview people more in world of woo so to speak. I was really grateful to find DTube with Steemit. Now I just have o get my videos moved over. I hope Steemit doesn’t run ads either.

The challenge is that so many things go downhill once they become successful enough for real money to be involved.

Look at the gaming industry as an example. We absolutely have smaller indie-type studios making great games, but who are the behemoth money earners? EA. Sony. Capcom. Once in a while the big publishers will excrete a rare gem (The Last of Us), but mostly (if arguably) their titles become more and more homogenized, group-think, publish by committee affairs.

I'd consider a primary risk if Steemit grows more successful, is that one of the huge tech giants like Google will try to buy it. If that happens, more than likely the same actions will take place as what's been happening with Youtube. Hopefully these concerns are years away, and will not come to pass.

steem has this capability

@alrexbeyman dear sir good news thank for shear

thanks a lot for discuss about crypto//
i gain knowledge this video..

Nice information and than this useful for me and be reference all youtuber

Excellent post, thanks for sharing

really geat ..thanks for sharing post love you sir @alexbeyman😘😘😘

good news @ alexbeyman. Youtube also great software

It's been a lot better to get a new update on YouTube, in my opinion. Because some people want to become successful on YouTube without hard work. Now those who come to YouTube on new work, they have to work very hard.

yeay,good idea @alexbeyman. i think steemit not only will be a new youtube,i think steemit can be more than youtube.

i really like your post and i enjoy it very with all post 👍

Becoming the next youtube is a cool concept. I hope it gets that far. I think the web is due for next gen social and video. Also tired of seeing how much these large corporations are screwing people over.

Change in inevitable :)

Great news!!!! Steemit is spreading around the globe day by day
-cheers-

@alexbeyman....yes bro present the new conditions in youtube is a bad news for who want to create a chanel in youtube..its very dificult to reach that subscribers and also time..its take too much time..so dtube is better comapared to youtube..the payouts also more in our steemit..so o hope all our community members are avoid youtube to put a videos and chose dtube...

Really quite good to say here. Steemit is even pushing and bringing the connectivity of humans in high a place.

This one is great news for steemit users. Thanks for this amazing post.

Steemit is the best,many of us rely on the income it generates and also make lasting friendship with other steemians.Steemit is a success by every metric.

Why did you just copy and paste what I wrote, then parrot it back to me as if I somehow wouldn't notice?

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