From a newbie for the newbies: meta-discussions of Steem's economy, power structure, hierarchy, functionality -- projections and predictions, concerns and objections, hope and opportunity

in #steemit8 years ago

Like you, I care more for good content and spirited debates than the monetizing potential; I am looking for a decentralized, self-organizing, censorship-proof alternative to reddit, Facebook, Wordpress and MySpace, not the new Bitcoin or Ethereum.

But I am of course interested how a hierarchical society will likely develop under the meritorcratic rules set by the Steem engine. Much of it will only be revealed in the future, when the user market nears its saturation and more sophisticated attempts at rigging and manipulating have been made. But already, the whitepaper and the current wealth distribution reveal interesting math and data, allowing some predictive power, room for speculation and means of analysis. Quo vadis, Steemit?

Browsing Steemit, I bookmarked a few posts and articles I found enlightening; they are a sort of "summary" of what I learned in the past days.


economy and strategy

Uh, Steem, Steemit, Steem Power, Steem Dollars, whales, dolphins, rewards for good voting, money for blogging?

and of course


philosophy, politics, math and game theory

Once upon a time, there was a king who collected all metadata of his citizens. He was a wise and benevolent king who brought material and spiritual prosperity to the country. The data was used only to optimize administration, to the benefit of all.
But then his land was occupied, and the usurper got hold of the data, parsed it and used it to weed out all those who would be most likely - and most able - to oppose his new reign of terror.

Moral of this (true) story: it is not that the devs andor whales of today are on trial - more power to them for kicking off this project and forming such an awesome community! But what of the accounts that change ownership for millions in hard instant cash next month...? Does, in case of an emergency, the long "tail" have the power to oppose the corrupt elements of tomorrpw? Such concerns are not to be dismissed off-hand in a world where agenda-pushing and opinion-forming are such valuable "markets".

But let us assume the community is left alone with its beautiful anarchy: if upvoting potentially popular content is systemically incentivized, what will the "hot" pages look like in the long run? Read these 23 reasons why you should care now - #5 will blow your mind!


functionality

Let it be noted that Steemit is still beta (as the header logo indicates), and the functionality we all have come to appreciate from other platforms -- PMs, favorites, following etc -- has already been announced. In other news, Steem is open source, write your own webinterface!

In that spirit, here's an aggregation of ideas so they are not forgotten:

No doubt, profiles, PMs, favorites and even reply notifications are already in the works, they are the sine qua non of such a network. Personally, I found that a log like https://steemd.com/@username is missing, even if only to come back to older content more easily, or to retract votes if necessary.

I feel the markdown implementation does not yet work as intended. No ~~strikethrough~~, for example, no ^sup, and ###headers are no fun thanks to #hashtags.

Piston seems to indicate that Steem stand-alone browsers are a possibility to look forward to...?


tldr;

I'm very excited and looking forward to watching how this experiment - that is what it is, according to the whitepaper - will turn out: and what it will prove.



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I cant believe this post is only worth .56 cents

Wow! This is very insightful and the countless references to other posts are incredibly useful. This will give me a lot of interesting material to digest :) Thanks

Somebody just read my mind !

There is no need for a hierarchical society to develop here... There already is one. The distribution of wealth is top heavy, along with the attendant power. Certain users can reward posts and comments with hundreds of dollars with a click of the button, where a mass of users at the bottom know their vote isn't even worth a cent. It will become more and more noticeable as time goes on, when you see the markers of structural inequality arise time and again.

There is no need for a hierarchical society to develop here... There already is one.

Of course, it was implied, but perhaps worded strangely - I apologize. The steem community is NOT class-less; the very distinction between "whales", "dolphins", "minnows" and "sea monkeys" makes that abundantly clear. The question I tried to ask: will the disparity become greater or smaller over time, as Steemit rises in popularity and population and replaces FB and reddit and saturates the user market (~7 Billion)? Will it be of any consequence at all even, once the vast majority of contributors and content creators have settled with the disappointing reality that the raindrops of an aristocrat's attention might never water their garden - simply because there are so few? Will they instead begin to carve out their micro-niches?

It has been usual for men to think and to say: this guy has a problem with income equality, he must be a socialist. Burn that witch! The truth is, I think that being wealthy is not a crime per se. In a perfect society, however, the rich serve the valuable purpose of redistributing the wealth (a billionaire needs a villa, a yacht, and must pay for upkeep); his investments, if wise, will be to the benefit of all in the long run. In other words, I'll prefer being plankton in a rich sea of abundance over being dolphin in a toxic lake. Give me a wise and benevolent king, and I will abandon all speech of democracy and elections and egality and gladly take my place in the bottom decile of a totalitarian society.

That is why I am not a fan of "caps" and other artifical means that complicate the law, the incentive to distribute wealth fairly (not evenly!) should be systemic.

Thus, my argument is not one of envy - I predict that the distribution of wealth will not change greatly, and even worsen the more users Steemit attracts, resulting in a proportionally longer "tail" and the Gini coefficient closing in on 1. Eventually, the "tail" will mostly interact with itself, as the "density" of ocean mammal's curation lessens.

In the long run, it might - that is why I am so interested in the math - even lead to a diverse, informative, enlightening, funny, and if need be, even sexy top/trending/recommended page. But only under the bold assumption that (just to name a name) FOX, MSNBC or Disney don't buy up a few dozen top 50 accounts.

Already, accounts are for sale and "policing" brigades being called for. Bots are running rampant.

Since the content remains immutably in the blockchain, no matter the downvotes, it is up to the developers to forge intelligent tools to sort, browse, curate and create content and weapons for everyone to defend himself against spam, propaganda, battles of the bots and censorship.

Then inequality won't be any problem anymore, the rank in the hierarchy not matter, and the market be truly "free".

This post really needs attention. You clearly put in a lot of work here, and you link to so many great posts. Alas that i have but one upvote to give!

I'll give you an opportunity to upvote more, Pt. II is in the works. Thank you for the incentive :p

Excellent. Unfortunately my upvote is only worth about 5 cents right now, but maybe I'll get another game theory article out around the same time and we can cross-pollinate.

Please, keep your game theory articles coming! My upvotes are even less powerful, but you are bringing much enlightenment into the matter.

Here is the promised update, including Part 4 of your series: https://steemit.com/steemit/@akareyon/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-steem-from-a-newbie-for-the-newbies-part-ii

Hello, do You mind if I translate your post into Russian and publish with reference to the source of course?

привет Константтин - I would feel honored!

Great post!
Feel fortunate to have stumbled across it! (#math helped), don't know why it hasn't been upvoted more, there is food for thought for all users in this post! Maybe @dan or @ned will help if they stumble on it

Maybe @dan or @ned will help if they stumble on it

This is an example of what I meant in my comment. The feedback loops created by users at the top cause all the votes, recognition, and rewards to be concentrated. Having to cross your fingers that a handful of individuals notices your posts results in a dysfunctional ecosystem.

I feel honored that you think it is worthy a whale's attention - thank you for yours!

You raise another good point I forgot to mention: substeemits (analogous to subreddits) would, of course, be terribly impractical, but it would at least be nice to have a tag subscription list or something of that sort - ways to group my interest. The protocols (#agot? #gameofthrones? #asoiaf?) would probably evolve organically.

Thanks for the thorough rundown and up to date info - glad to have it inane post to bookmark. Much appreciated.

I shall keep it updated then!