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RE: Steem Sincerity - Update and Community Involvement

in #steemdev7 years ago

Interesting what you're working on, here. Seems to me like bots would need to be subdivided further-- a manual process. Arcange... sometimes is a phishing warning bot; that's a public service announcement. Cheetah, again serves a service function. Some small bots like cuddlekitten only interact with people who have upvoted/followed them... making them "requested" and probably harmless. Some might be classified as "nuisance," but harmless (steemitboard?). Some are bot-spam.

I would have to say some of this would be very hard to fully automate. But still following this with interest.

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Thanks for your feedback. A service like this will never be perfect because people don't agree about these definitions, but I am working on improvements to the algorithm to make it more useful to most users.

in the meantime... @cuddlekitten's AI classification as a spammer has risen in ranks (she's now classified as the top-8 spammer on steemit - which is ridiculous!)

and I think I am already feeling the repercussions as @abusereports has started targeting her for auto-flagging! Though, that might be purely coincidental of course.

P.S.: Thanks for mentioning my kitten here, it's a tough day and I appreciate the moral support I get from reading this a lot!

@cuddlekitten doesn't seem to be classified as a spammer now for whatever reason. The classifier hasn't yet changed though.

Yeah, her score sincerity score changed from 1.0 spammer to 0.82 human after she wrote a single post about the issue... at first I thought you had manually changed something, but then I realised it's probably due to the significantly different appearance of the account data (a new post, before there were only comments - a ton of flags, before there were zero).

I've also been able to get her off the auto-flagging by abusereports - I do not know if there was any relation between the two situations though.

I've just conducted an experiment with the other cuddle-bot @steemkitten achieving the same result by making a single "wordy" post under the account: [see here]

Cool, but unfortunately publicising such feats of reclassification makes it more likely I'll need to change the algorithm as spammers learn from you. It's a battle to stay ahead of their game you see.

I guess that's exactly what I am trying to do... convince you to improve that algorithm. I feel it's still very unreliable as easily illustrated with my little experiment... so apart from actual spammer having it easy to trick your algorithm... non-spammers also easily get labelled wrongly...

so yeah... improve that algorithm... heh

I will certainly try and do that. I guess I can't expect too much support from people who are sailing so close to the wind ;)

I am giving all the support that I can.

You must excuse if I do sound a bit salty, but the top-8 spammer classification has brought a lot of negative attention to an otherwise positively received project of mine.

But in all of this, I didn't take any offense and as a matter of fact i am encouraging users to try steem plus and help provide human feedback

If there's anything else I could do to help, I will.

I'll say it again. I explicitly support the steem sincerity project. I believe it is a great addition to the steem ecosystem.

It's just that I experienced a negative backlash from an (imho) false classification of my bots and as such I try to provide feedback and hope to illustrate the urgency of improving this asap because it is already being publicly used.