Agreed. Downvoting power should not be stake-based, it should be based on consensus. Only upvoting power should use stake, this needs to be changed as it's going to get worse when steemit becomes mainstream.
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I don't agree with that. Voting on Steem should be symmetrical. Anything else and you:
a) reduce the utility of SP
b) imbalance SP's influence on the reward pool
By the way, I've heard several complaints about these late votes on mindhunter's posts. I haven't agreed with the people saying they're abusive. It's peculiar that they are done when the posts are 6 days old, and that alone looks a bit defensive, but they're all by the rules. The same set of rules allow anyone who has stake in Steem to use their downvote. Or call out those downvoting them :)
I disagree. People are buying steem power mainly to increase their voting power, they don't care about downvoting power.
The reason is that when you downvote you basically get a penality, you effectively lose money which is why hardly anyone uses this function.
I will be publishing an article in the next few days about this so we can debate more then.
They are done just before payout window closes because I don't want my upvotes to lose value. If I give someone 20 bucks and that 7 days later the payout is only 15 bucks I wasted 5 bucks, it's a pretty simple concept :-)
In spite of seeing that "snowflakes are useful idiots", I am now following you. I am interested what you will say in this future post. :)
Not so. It is an open vote until the payout window closes. That most people up vote is because of the eternal good natured spirit of humanity, and the fact that up votes are a more effective use of voting power, i.e. in curation rewards and in goodwill.
Remember that it's called pending payout before payout. Honestly I blame the UI for misleading folks to the conclusion that the money is given before payout.
Looking forward to this.
I think you must misunderstand how it works. The up votes do not depreciate in value, it is the reward pool that changes dynamically over time before payout. If you do know about it then you're just tricking yourself if you think that.
I meant to say I don't want the posts that I vote on to lose value.
Ah so. You mean you don't want them to attract flags because of your vote. Understandable, but defensive as @transisto says
Re-read my post please, that's not what I said.
I have and it still seems that way to me. Can you clarify?
The whole whale flagging issue in one of the biggest sores on the side of Steemit alongside minnow spamming.
DV flagging is currently the best worst solution we have to control spam etc., but it's in bad need of an overhaul with a consensus model before Alpha like you say. I've always thought this was the only flaw in @dan's otherwise flawless creation.
The search for the silver bullet continues on ... as unfortunately do these 'stake police'!
What if everyone down-voted everything that made more than $40, would this be good for the platform? Would it mean more rewards for those of us that barely get a dollar for a post?
I agree that flagging / down voting is contentious and is likely to remain so. You can't escape the human psychology of it, though I do think a UI change could go along way (not much support for that at STINC at the moment though).
If there were a better way I would support it am I open to ideas.
P.S. @fulltimegeek has now flagged this post - at least he is a TRUE sociopath unlike @transisto!
You seriously think your shit post was worth ~$70 before my flag? I'll be keeping an eye on your account now that I see you're being overly rewarded.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention @mindhunter.
A true sociopath that speaks. @transisto the King is dead ... long live the King @fulltimegeek! :)
I might grant you the honorary title of knighthood if you play your cards right.
What is that stick you have me holding??! The Claymore that Mel Gibson uses in Braveheart is configured with a Ricasso. At least man me up for your battles @fulltimegeek!!
Did you seriously think your comment was worth a whole dollar before my 2 cent flag?
@fulltimegeek didn't self vote that comment, so it was @ats-david and @bacchist who thought it was, and you contributed to the valuation by down voting / flagging. All is well.
Hmm... do you really think your post was worth nothing before I voted it up?
😂 I'm not sure. I've been around this argument a few times. My perspective is that voting is about what other people think. Self voting my comment or not doesn't say anything about the comment so much as it does about me.
truth
Glad to hear @fulltimegeek
I am so disappointed about you @mindhunter and sad to read all your comments to justify . I remember you as a decent member and friendly guy. I rarely see any so called famous whales passing by on my profile but guess what, I still do quite well without cheating the community just for a few dollars you split with some big boyz. Is money really that important to you guys, to trick us honest people? Shame on all of you! It's hard work to earn your rewards, especially for new people here on the platform. Stop fooling all of us please!
Is this echo chamber mamma?? Are you SJW #2?? Whales or anyone can vote for me anytime they want. Why are you using guilt and shame to control that? I would've expected you to have my back on this issue mamma, but I can see your a progressive collectivist like the other flagging whales. I'm not going to say your a disgrace to this platform, as I don't stoop to SJW naming and shaming tactics like you!
Oh dear! This kind of reply gives me a very good idea who you actually are. I was blinded by your charming kindness. I have my preference how "man" should act in a healthy, caring community. Sleazy methods can't survive for long and if they do, we will see a "chaos" of other nature later.
I wish you well in your own skin.
Mamma, I see your own true colours are coming to the fore when the Steem price hits below $1 - this kind of community trolling and abuse always happens around this time - remember the last time?? LOL! :) P.S. I'm NOT going to troll/tease you like last time. Let's call it 1-1 this time around ;) Ha ha! [Please Steem goto $2 again to cancel out all this saltmining crap!!]
I prefer NOT to be a part of that CRAPPY Crowd!
I've been around and see most of it but just didn't think you are one of those "sledgehammers".
P.S. I'm not a sledgehammer - I'm the stick of dynamite that blows up saltmines ;) Ha ha! :)
Saltmining:
An excess of, or a hive-minded large mass group in one or many areas made up of individual humans acting in a "salty" manner.
e.g. The saltmining of Donald Trump:
I don't think that will ever happen. It's too public, and the rewards go to the same people. I tell people the truth of my earnings and that isn't enough to convince people to come over from Facebook.