I agree with aggroed. But I am also a fan of a way to instantly power down + burn 5% as a fee to do so. Creates a sink, liquidity and is good for large investors who don’t want to be locked in a speculative asset with no way out for 13 weeks. I don’t like the idea of a 1 month power down as it does nothing for anyone. A month is still too long for a large investor to YOLO on(power up) and dosent satisfy a way to get out instantly.
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That's a really interesting idea but doesn't change the fact that in case your account got hacked, with a shorter power down period the attacker could get a bigger portion of your STEEM before you would have the chance to change your keys.
Maybe 2 FA should be implemented in the long run.
Maybe there could be the option to determine save withdrawal addresses (white listed addresses)?
Also, wouldn't it be possible that every account holder had the option in his own account to either select a 4 or 13 week power down?
Absolutely. And keep in mind that 4 weeks and 13 weeks are random numbers. They have no meaning and the powerdown period in the future should be far more dynamic than that.
ideally I would like the option to extend PD for certain long term savings accounts and have others in 4 weeks etc, but I don't see that being possible for this HF due to complexity, 4 week only is a simple number change.
If the 5% fee were to be implemented, I am more inclined to support it, if it were opt-in based. And the opt-in effect should be delayed (2 weeks, 30 days?) in order to prevent someone who compromises an account to opt-in and automatically withdraw. As for the destination of the fee, I'd allow options, regarding the destination: @steem.dao, @null, maybe @steemalliance if they can take this kind of funding.
But on the long term, I prefer the solution @therealwolf proposes with differentiated interest benefits, based on the duration of committed power up. With the possibility to have different "deposits" with different interests, kinda like at the bank. That doesn't exclude the possibility of implementing both.
Both are not the kind of easy fixes Steemit expects, like changing "13" with "4". Both will require some work and some code auditing afterwards, especially since we are dealing with wallet code changes.
Anything is possible however if you take a look at the original post here, you will see that the change to 4 weeks is only being considered for the upcoming hardfork because the code change is trivial and low risk:
Of course it is possible to discuss any other sorts of changes such as configurable power down time, but not within the context of something that is feasible to deploy soon.
Yes, @steemitblog wrote it was easy to implement, but the reasoning for considering it is also that there was support for that idea within the community:
What I meant with "interesting idea" is the suggestion of @theycallmedan to burn a certain percentage of the STEEM always if anybody wants to initiate such a faster power down. So if one could fulfill the necessary security requirements (or if some people - I am not one of them - by their own choice optionally could accept a somewhat higher risk in exchange for a faster power down) that could be an interesting instrument to reduce the inflation of STEEM.
Thinking the idea to burn STEEM (whenever possible) is interesting doesn't mean I was supportiing the proposal for a shorter power down period (currentIy I am not).
Sorry, in case it wasn't clear I was answering the question in your last paragraph:
by pointing out that, yes, it is certainly possible, but not possible within the constraints set forth for the current hard fork. It would have to go into a future one, probably in six months to a year. For this one, the options under consideration are simply 4 weeks or 13 weeks.
Your other ideas (2FA, whitelists, etc.) are also very good ones which should be considered in the future.
I like the idea of white addresses to which I can get (this solves all security problems) speculators move the price in markets around the world, so we need them like air !!! 100%
I dont like the idea of a burn. I dont see any benefit for Steem to do that.
Burn means Steem is not a valuable resource, otherwise it would be a donation for instant powerdown to Steem DAO.
If you need to burn token the design of the token is bad.
One of the reasons for the high bitcoin price is its scarcity, whereas STEEM still has a rather high inflation. In my opinion burning some STEEM helps to curb the negative effect of inflation on the value of STEEM - at least for now.
dont get me wrong but with onboarding and more usecases we get the same effect in a more sexy way.
Steem is not Bitcoin.
If we remove current SBD from rewarding and make a Version like DAI out of it, we have the same effect beacause Steem get lockt up and less ( not control able) inflation.
And nice site effects like a real scalable 1$ pegged Coin on Steem.
I think things should be build for longterm and not for shortterm.
No problem, that you have a different point of view than me. I know what you mean, STEEM is not mainly (only) a value storage but also a fast and flexible blockchain with many possible use cases. Sure, there is a difference between STEEM and bitcoin, but for now we have no 'mass adoption', yet, just a crypto currency which is losing more and more of its value (which not only hurts current stake holders but also makes it less attractive for potential new investors).
I wrote "for now" I like the idea of burning STEEM, because I think that at least at the moment inflation, the fact that Steemit, Inc. is selling lots of STEEM and other reasons are causing an already long-lasting price decline pressure.
Nobody is going to lock up coins knowing they have to take a 5% cut to get out quicker than 13 weeks, that's a losing proposition with Steem.
And you're wrong, a 1 month power down does more than "nothing" for true investors. Maybe you need a little more time in crypto to understand things before speaking about them.
How about an internal exchange SP to STEEM .... I believe this was mentioned before
if someone compromises my account (somehow) the 5% burn for instant power down would be the last thing I want available
for hackers 10% ok too :D
Can you elaborate?
Instant powerdown or 4 weeks are only if opt in.
Like:
" You want a less secure account and 4 weeks Powerdown press here (owner key required)"
Same with Instant Powerdown with fee.
But i would say the fee goes to DAO. So if the price pump DAO gets more funds, or use it for account tokens for onboarding.
useless burns would change nothing.
Good idea!!! But the fee should better be 30% for the instant power down instead of 5%!