I appreciate your efforts @heimindanger.
But I do think that downvoting content based on bought votes is not the right way and will result in punishment of innocent steemians and will profit most of all the circle-jerkers and self-voters.
This will also result in people upvoting just as much to stay under the radar.
Instead of your current initiative - how about you focus on circle-jerkes like @me-tarzan
Ever since I've joined Steemit in August 2017 - that guy is posting the same complete trash content day after day multiple times a day.
While it was only 4 times a day in August 2017 - it went up to 10 times per day now.
If you think that is a problem then please undertake an initiative to take action against it, and rally stakeholders to support your initiative as @heimindanger is doing here. One does not preclude the other and it doesn't make sense for people to argue over which is the biggest problem, when there are so many.
To be honest, I didn't expect your answer on this comment @smooth .. at all.
But you are correct - the problem with self-voters and circle-jerkers is as bad as bid-bot abuse and I shouldn't put the one of the other.
However, I don't have a solution against it. Limiting self-voting abuse is something which should be done on the blockchain level. I.e. through changing the dynamic of downvotes - e.g. making it profitable to downvote bad content.
Only problem is: this could get out of control - so we need to be careful with this.
Regarding bid-bot abuse: Smartsteem.com is already on the forefront against abuse, but there is only so much we can do there, when the rest of the services (excluding buildawhale) aren't doing anything about it.
And my understanding is that you are not per-se against voting-services, otherwise you wouldn't have delegated to upmewhale, passive and promobot.
So my question is: what change would you like to see and would you be willing to support it?
Hey @heimindanger - just saw the article few minutes ago.
Thank you @heimindanger! I've much respect for @dtube.
Ever since the creation of smartsteem.com - my goal was to reduce abuse and give users who create quality content a way to promote their posts.
Now, after months of running, developing and improving it - I feel that there is a limit of what smartsteem is able to to do. Part of this reason is also because many many many more bid-bots have been popping up in the last 1-3 months - of which 99% run on an open source codebase and are simply not giving any f* about stopping abuse. (afaik only buildawhale is actively blacklisting users besides smartsteem)
Even if smartsteem were to blacklist ALL spammers and restrict users who are abusing our services (by pushing posts to global trending every single day) - those users would simply go to another service.
Don't get me wrong - I will still personally blacklist all spammers and abusers I see - but there is a limit on what smartsteem can restrict as long as all other services allow it.
Nevertheless, I will brainstorm about ways to stop the hijacking of global trending spots in an excessive way.
I don't miss the times where the same 5 faces were on global trending every single day. But of course, real bid-bot abuse is just as bad.
I'd actually say that the circle-jerks are the worst thing on steemit. I checked out @me-tarzan and it was just bizarre. There are only 18 accounts with higher reputation to bring down that abomination. Most bid-bot rounds end up at a loss. So it's just payed promotion. Whether they deserve the trending page is questionable. But looking at old interviews of @ned he wanted people to buy STEEM to get into the trending page. Bid-bots are simply a market solution for the promotion feature that doesn't work.
Unless a person get lots of organic upvotes or STEEM price has a bull run, id-bot users will eventually run out of funds. circle-jerkes never run out of funds. They can only grow. I think the white-list system is the best path. But there will be other bid-bots. There are only 16 bots with a vote value over $17 If these bots can work together the level of abuse can be greatly reduced IMHO.