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RE: Understanding Steem's Economic Flaw, Its Effects on the Network, and How to Fix It.

in #steem6 years ago

Sigmoid reward curve, your idea/curve and @clayop's idea/curve are all valuable. I'm not sure they would be better than n^2. They would have to be weighed against each other. I don't know how this could be done. One thing I'm sure is that if they could be implemented they would be better than linear.

I'll try to come up with some objective way to compare any curve. This seems quite daunting.

I'm against the propositions below.

  • ... implementing diminishing returns when upvoting the same accounts (including own ones) again and again.
  • ... considering to let ones UserAuthority score (from @scipio) have an impact on the rewards of ones posts.
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I'm not sure they would be better than n^2.

I think their advantage would be to prevent posts with rewards of much more than 1000 dollar (increasing the already huge difference between 'rich' and 'poor' on this platform).

I'm against the propositions below.

Why? :) (If I knew why I could better try to convince you. :)

... implementing diminishing returns when upvoting the same accounts (including own ones) again and again.

People creating a lot of consensuses (valuable content) shouldn't be penalized by Steem's rules, on the contrary.

... considering to let ones UserAuthority score (from @scipio) have an impact on the rewards of ones posts.

UA isn't as efficient as superlinear reward to prevent abuse.

When implemented, 'diminishing returns' would still allow you to upvote anybody as often as you like.
However, if you would upvote anybody (let's say yourself) very often within a short time span
Anyway, already now voting power is decreasing with every upvote - with 'diminishing returns' it would just happen somewhat faster for upvotes on accounts we upvoted already several times (within a short time span)., every following upvote would just be somewhat weaker than the previous ones (if for example @haejin upvoted himself ten times per day(!), then the last upvotes would be comparable weak).

You wouldn't notice any difference if you upvoted someone once every day ...

UA isn't as efficient as superlinear reward to prevent abuse.

Actually I think "superlinear reward" favours self-vote abuse.
UA can be combined with every kind of reward curve anyway.
One could consider for example a formula like this one:
vote_worth = UA(voter) / UA(average) • SP • vote_strength

Anyway: thanks much for your thoughts and opinions (there need not always be a complete consensus).

Actually I think "superlinear reward" favours self-vote abuse.

Indeed. As explicitly stated by the original whitepaper. However, it also gives rise to counter-incentives. I'll clarify my position on the whole subject hopefully soon enough.

Diminishing returns, I'm not totally closed to the concept but my priority is to concentrate my energy as efficiently as possible to return Steem to sound economics.

However, it also gives rise to counter-incentives.

In theory, yes, but do you think in 'real life' I would seriously dare to flag some whales (if I want to continue writing here)? :)

I am looking forward to read your coming article about the whole topic.

... but my priority is to concentrate my energy as efficiently as possible to return Steem to sound economics.

I know, and I really appreciate that!

It's really interesting what the original whitepaper says about flagging but I do agree with you it is much better to stay out whales' way but that doesn't necessarily apply to whales vs whales.