This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team. Focus upon the blockchain while working with the witnesses....that is an ideal situation in my opinion.
I commend everyone for opening up the discussion about how to best strike a balance between giving low SP accounts usage while deterring spammers. It is a very difficult task to pull off and it will take all of us collectively trying to determine what is best.
It was a tough week but there is no reason for anyone to be discouraged. This is something all blockchains are going to have to approach. The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different. Therefore, how are those costs covered without directly charging?
People who leave STEEM believing there are other "free" networks out there are in for a rude awakening. There is no such thing as a free network.
Just ask all those who get to use Facebook for "free".
There's no bottomline without a topline. That topline stems from DAU.The bottomline
Shades?
There may be 50 shades of grey between free speech and spam, allegedly. It depends on how you define spam. I'm happy with Steemit as it's better than Facebook.
Competition
Steem is doing better in some ways than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, Dlive, and other online communities. I'm totally for decentralized, cryptocurrency, blockchain networks, like Steem. I'm for privacy over safety. I'm for personal ownership, and for free markets.
Subjectivity
The tough part might be in defining spam as it may mean what you may not want, like, desire, prefer. However, what I want may not be what you want. So, defining spam and hate speech, subjectively, can be cultural, social, and therefore not objective, which is a path down the wrong road.
I am a n00b here at Steemit, and very glad just to be a part of it. I don't pretend to understand the larger issues, so I'd be a fool to take sides, but I do understand very well when you say "there is no such thing as a free network".
This same issue applies to the F2P model in online games - if you are not paying a subscription, then you are the product which the game company is selling.
Much respect to all my fellow Steemians.
The first thing that comes to mind to me is a "sponsorship" where the gets some sort of kickback for sponsoring hidden talent.
I'm for sponsorship programs, both online and offline, more over through vocational training as opposed to mere community college. On Steem for example, yeah, we could vet some if we want, sponsor them, support them, reward disciples, fans, contest participants, etc.
I designed a system that handles this issue perfectly. We will be launching on the Steem blockchain next year. Take a look and tell me what you think :)
https://medium.com/currentxchange/cryptovoting-with-purple-how-it-works-3d6db1df14b6
Looks like an interesting project and in alignment with the Age of Abundance which is centered out of love/energy/vibration/conscious.
You get it!! Thanks for commenting, that means so much to know that is being conveyed!!!!
Would you like to be involved? We have plenty of room :) Here is the update of the project I sent to the team this morning :)
Lots of ways to get involved! We are planning a steem app before SMT launches to get the Mapp up and running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EpfJ_eqIpw
What about an Referral System based on Smart Contracts. Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System. Therefore the new User would get 25 - 50SP with its new Account.
Also possible would be a lending System where the new user has to pay back a certain Amount of Steem to its creator.
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This does not sound like something new users would appreciate, ever.
Coming from a heavy MLM and marketing former life, I totally agree with you here. That borders on waters of network marketing and rarely do those endeavours end well and further yet - would surely attract the wrong kind of audience and userbase.
Well this option would be only for those who are not willing to invest anything in their Steem-account. They would have to let go of some of the potential profits, therefore they would get a fully functional Steem account from the start to check everything out! Its just an option and not something that is mandatory. I mean Bitshares also has a referral system for lifetime membership something like that would be also possible.
If anything there would be a limited ref reward such as until the 10% has reached the 3 Steem it costs for the account creation and then back to no affiliation.
Sounds good to me. I guess when implemented than every individual user should be able to create its own conditions on how he wants to support the account creation.
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My thoughts.. before i got to typing, then scrolled to read it in this comment.
Why? If you are a good contributer to the steem blockchain, you are investing in the platform with your time and chosen skillset, that's how and why you get rewarded, how much is up to the community. And this isn't Bitshares.
Yes and how you said it will always be like that. If a new user creates good content and receives upvotes for it, that will still be his major income. I was just giving an idea of how to pay for the extra Steempower a new user might want from the beginning. The question from this post was - who is paying for the extra SP for new users so they have more RC? What is your suggestion?
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How about this: You buy more if you want more. And it's easy.
Get on a exchange or buy through @blocktrades.
Buy steem.
Send steem.
Power up steem.
That is not a new solution you can do that anyways. The question was how to solve the problem that new user accounts can interact more with Steem Blockchain without extra investing...read the post.
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Adding a referral system to Steemit would be a total nightmare.
I agree, but that's common sense. Logic.
However, my brain can't comprehend the last few words you just typed out, I kinda exploded, but that's more because of the accusation you put in between the lines.
If your own brain capacity is limited by that much intelligence, i understand that you can't process the idea that good content is mandatory on this platform and worth so much more than "nothing". The ideology here is that the community decides how much it will be rewarded. There is a chance you earn nothing, but is earning the focus? Is creating good content the focus? Is curating shit posts for a higher CR the focus? You tell me.
Please, before making it sound like you're superior by implying that other people who do not agree with you are incompetent: Get a better understanding about the (revolutionary) concept of steem and get out of your litter first.
You are totally missing the point here and the message of the post from @steemitblog There is no free money here and we are far off from any pyramid structure otherwise you don't understand blockchain and the reward pool.
The question of this post was who is paying for the extra SP or RC so that new users have more ability to interact. Your answer is totally of the charts...so try to come up with something better?
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You mean like how @ berniesanders does it?
I heard there might be some type of RC pool that would allow the leasing of RC...I am not sure about that though.
The referral system sounds like a great idea. It might be good to elaborate on it some more...there is a way to write smart contracts on this blockchain now. I am not sure how it would tie into SP though.
Saw the idea for RC delegations being floated by @therealwolf. Sounded like another vote buying scheme to me.
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This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team. At the same time you fuck the money by just post a single comment .
I agree with you @taskmaster4450 and I have nothing to say! But what about a Referral System based on Smart Contracts.
I am glad to see the platform useable again. I however can not say I know exactly what the new features have come with the HF20. I would be glad to see a quick easy to understand summary of the changes maybe short bullet point. Thanks
Define "showboating" - and also, produce proof of your allegations...
I define showboating as basically being a hypocrite...
Observe your counterargument to yourself:
https://steemit.com/steem-promo/@lanmower/two-in-the-pink-one-in-the-stinc
Compared to the grandstanding above, it smells a lot like "throwing stones" and "ignorant behavior" to me...
Never seen you in github by this name. Funny, I'm on a few threads over there in the PRs and Issues areas. Even got one of the initiatives it took a year of campaigning for passed and into condenser, so you could more easily participate in a more democratic form of governance here than was previously possible. It took a year of broadcasting on the topic, and finally proof of my allegations by another witness who documented his pass through the barriers previously set, and then the calling on of a half dozen more to force the gatekeepers to acquiesce but the win was ours that day.
What did you do again? Oh yeah, apparently not very much of interest to anyone, for a year's worth of time "served"
Boom! Headshot. I tried to reason w/ that fella a while back. You commented on that thread as well. I'd surmise he is fishing for upvotes as his statement is rather inconsistent with the objective most reasonable Steemians share against the onslaught of spam that we at @steemflagrewards fight on the daily. Would be nice if @ned gave us a delegation so we would have the means to pay our mods and contributors but I digress.
The point I am trying to make is @lanmower is commenting positive about the update which effectively hinders spammers while he will object to the flagging of same spammers which is quite peculiar. Hopefully, he takes your message to heart and evaluates his self.
Perhaps, we can all work together to make this blockchain better, be it through flags, through Pull Requests, and discussions just like this. But I'm not holding my breath about this one.
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This little kid has been nothing but a troll since he showed up sometime this past summer, trolling around various discords I mod, mostly being a know nothing know it all punk. I fed him loads of bullshit and let him think he was winning so he would go away back then but it was time to school him and put him down for a nap. It's amusing when some barely out of highschool kid tries to troll someone nearly three times their age, it won't end well for them.
Arguing with cork is like arguing with a 5 year old.
You have to keep your sentences short.
And allow enough white space for his brain to catch up.
define spam
Here is our consensus definition that may be also found on our GitHub
Thanks to @freebornangel for putting this in a post with an easily readable forget.
Please, let me know your thoughts. Always welcome community feedback in how we may improve definitions.
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You see the problem is then that all our services, yours included, is considered spam by your collective. You guys comment spam, we spam stats and live streams. And although we spam way more than you do, we allow for natural upvotes, whereas you guys autoupvote every flagrewards comment, thus stealing from all of us. I guess we should start an anti-steemflagrewards community to reduce your impact?
Or perhaps you guys should all come join us so that you can also see that bot accounts and spam is actually beneficial for all of us.
The blockchain itself is doing good. We have a LOT of transactions that happen every second. Steemit and other front end services arent doing so good. As the content that you guys want, do not appeal to mass audiences. Which means we arent creating any new traffic to any of these front ends.
Popular media consists of memes and cat pictures. Parody and satire. You might not like it. I don't even like it. But you have to accept the world as it is, before you can start to change it.
Another thing that bothers me about steemflagrewards, steemcleaners, and all the other busy-bodies. You guys all attack the little guy. Not once have you flagged haejin, or berniesanders, or any of the so-called bad-whales. You don't even flag us because we have enough stake to fight back. Seems kinda like a war between the USA and Nauru.
So, who's funding this blatant oppression of the minnow-class? And why are you, a person with a relatively good moral compass, part of it?
Well, the thing is that we have verifiable proof of brain behind the bot approval mechanism. I promise you our volunteer mods are not automatons. They are human beings with gray mass making the decision to review and approve the mention comments.
What you say though is important for what we are looking to implement soon, that is the auto-approvals for whitelisted abuse fighters. We will ensure that via that mechanism that no comments are generated something I did not think about before your comment.
Way to go, @stephanus! We probably would have overlooked that otherwise.
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Well he is in the same class as @ berniesanders, what did you expect?
Hardly.
Our lord and saviour, Dan the Man, created something called proof-of-stake. Whereby everyone on the blockchain has a stake in it. Whether it be borrowed stake or invested stake doesnt matter. What does matter is what people choose to use their stake for. I use mine to distribute wealth, and to troll occasionally. You use yours to build automation systems for communities, and to troll occasionally. @steemflagrewards uses their stake to apply censorship to the blockchain, and to troll occasionally.
Only one of us are trying to negate the ability of other stake holders to do their thing.
You guessed it.
It's @steemflagrewards !!!
Thanks for taking the time to formulate a thoughtful response, @lanmower. However, I believe one of your underlying premises is flawed and I will explain why.
You assert that the issue is freedom of speech and, in order to help you out, I would like you to consider one question.
How often do you see us flagging content that has declined rewards?
I think you could figure what I'm getting at and believe this is where your argument begins to unravel. I think it is important you come to terms with the implication of this specifically in what it says about your actual position the feigned position you present.
If I am correct in my line of reasoning, your real issue is our affecting others freedom of extracting rewards or value from the network without making a meaningful contribution. That's our issue and, of course, it is subjective.
That is why I think your proposition that this can be achieved via a fully programmatic solution is a far cry from what can be achieved in reality at least not in a comprehensive sense.
Sure there is a higher degree of automation that can be achieved and I would like to work to that end but don't think it is wise to fully remove human judgment from the equation however imperfect it can be. Having both leaves us with a more robust solution.
I am one that believes also in the power of the human mind, the extraordinary creation that it is, is able to bolster programming in ways that AI or machine learning are not able... At least not yet
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How did you get that info about the followers? I've long wanted a way to sift mine and get rid of those who are spoiling my feed page, making it difficult for me to see posts by those I want to follow!
Well, thanks for asking! I actually built the tool for determining your dead followers and dead followings as one our @noblewitness team's many varied contributions to the steem chain!
Find these tools and more here!
http://steem.agency
I am resteeming AND Bookmarking and this page will get pinned on my browser. Already got rid of nearly 50, but my hand is now tired.
I guess there is no way to mark who of the followers, never checks my posts? I think they are the biggest waste of time and space.
lol - that was funny - I actually hit a bug!!!
I hit the resteem button and I got the black bar telling me I cannot resteem anything but the top level...
Well technically thats not a bug as you cant and couldnt.. Its a user interface issue though but luckily ned is single-handledly building us a new one all by himself.
The technical chops of the development team is unequalled, @lanmover
At what cost?