An attractive future with an ugly present

in #steem6 years ago

I keep reading posts about the price of Steem and I really don't get it. Yeah, the price is "close to the basement" but, is that a bad thing? People want better distribution but they also want the price to go up now. I don't think if Steem was 10x in price more people will want to buy, more would want to dump though.

Of course, this is a simplistic view and a high price in crypto at the moment has very little to do with a project's health. Most of the rises and falls are the speculative traders plying their trade, so to speak.

Yep, a lot of onboarding will make the place more active and attractive but, I think other things need to be sorted out first. Thousands onboarded at the peak, where are most of them now? Dormant. Many were ALTs of course, but for the real people who arrived, they didn't find much to stick around for as prices declined. Hopefully next time that is different and hopefully, there is financial incentive for them to powerup and stay. There wasn't much then.

People forget that changes to the platform only emotionally affect us here now, as future users will come in and accept the environment as is. 50/50 curation, free downvotes, curves... They don't care as long as they can earn a bit and enjoy themselves a bit. Are you enjoying yourself here? Enjoying the arguments over economic incentives? No?

Well, we should figure this shit out before thousands more arrive again so they don't enter into a space where the same people are arguing over the same crap over and over. Hopefully they enter on an application and never see our bullshit at all.

Those that come in for serious investing will do their due diligence and make sure the economics are acceptable. Those that come to earn on their content will try their hand as they do on all the other platforms that have no guarantees of earning. Gotta work that ass if you want a return.

It tires me when I see people complain about the unfairness or inequality yet when I look at their inputs, they would be completely ignored on any other platform, their possibility of monetization a firm zero. I put myself in this category too as I do not have the drive, dedication or shill required to be a YouTuber or Patreon provider. Who the fuck would pay for my content?

But on Steem we are building a place where all kinds of stuff can and is rewarded on a daily basis and the better the platform performs, the more it is able to provide and cater for diverse tastes. I don't see it as an easy process to reformulate the way the world has learned to use the internet over the last two decades, and that is what is happening.

The internet has been hijacked and made free through the centralisation of platforms that have taken power away from producers and made them chase advertising revenue. Very few individuals can make a profit from the internet without confirming to the rules of advertisers. Those that don't conform get demonetized and demonized for their gall for being disobedient.

They push conformity because that makes targeting advertising and social engineering that much easier. Remember that our relationship data are the product for advertiser's and we are the consumers of what they are selling to us. Very little value escapes into the "free" producer's pockets.

With all the time you have spent on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and the like, are you living off the revenue yet? At what point is your income from social interaction on those platforms high enough to buy you 2 pizzas?

The world has been brainwashed into thinking that this all has value when all it does is feed the ego through hearts, likes and stars. Makes people feel relevant while the real value goes to a pointy end, the owners.

Yet, when you offer people ownership of the future, they are unwilling to buy. They expect it to be given, many with barely even consumable participation.

"This is fucking bullshit, my shitposts haven't made me rich yet!! Fuckin' scam."

Maybe I am being too harsh? What do these people do in the real world with their lives that they can't afford a couple Steem? Yeah, I am not talking about every country on earth but Europeans, Americans? How many have actually bought Steem? No, Steem is free it isn't a buying coin. Better off buying some rando coin and cross fingers for moon.

I don't care much these days about the price, I just want to have more Steem Power so that when it is a strong investment opportunity, I don't have to chase the tail of climbing prices getting little stake for my dollar. I want to be able to use that stake to empower applications to support their users and encourage creativity and earning. But most importantly, I want people to have done ownership over their experience rather than continually relying on some centralised authority to throw scraps into the dust. This all takes time and I am not talking another year or two.

Sure, you might want millions to onboard now do you can make yourself wealthy but, what about them? For the place to be healthy, the economics need to be aligned to give incentive for behaviours that build the community as people themselves will never act in the best interest of the many. We don't have that yet. Me might not have it with the next hardfork either, but we are working toward it.

While you worry about price, others will worry about what it actually takes to get there and maintain it. Whatever got Steem to 8.30 (speculation) didn't last, it was not it. Gotta keep looking and working to find what is it.

I will go out on a limb and say, You don't know. If you did know, you would be buying all the Steem you can and making it happen. Some people are doing just that. They might be wrong, but at least they act toward their belief.

Keep complaining. It helps a lot. Perhaps just like on the social media that pays nothing, the complaining makes people feel relevant.

Taraz
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Agreed man, we all just keep bitching around how hard it is to get attention and make some money - while on the other hand many users out there simply does not contribute any value what so ever - neither they try to actually engage on other contet. It's all me/me and me.

When the fuck are we going to realize that the tool we currently possess is one of the biggest things that happened ever since the Internet was "created".

We are being ungrateful for things we have and untill that sentiment is changed we will not be able to see any progress...

Enjoyed reading, really...

When the fuck are we going to realize that the tool we currently possess is one of the biggest things that happened ever since the Internet was "created".

I have no idea but I am guessing for many, it will be after it has mainstreamed :D

Really nice read man.

I also don't worry about the price, I keep the bigger picture in mind of what we are trying to achieve. My vision is a big social economic ecosystem based on Steem.

I think it's amazing what's been build on Steem since it's inception and I can't wait to see where we stand 2 years from now.

My hope is that in the next leg up in price the current holders of Steem will realize what they have a little bit more than last time and appreciate the value steempower contains.

The human emotions can get serious on Steem. I found a decent way of dealing with those although sometimes it can still get to me. But I do always make sure they never get in the way of my goals.

Thanks for a great read and keep building man!

My hope is that in the next leg up in price the current holders of Steem will realize what they have a little bit more than last time and appreciate the value steempower contains.

I am hoping the same. once those who have been powering up can swing a little weight, they will feel much more positive about the future and their investment.

The human emotions can get serious on Steem. I found a decent way of dealing with those although sometimes it can still get to me. But I do always make sure they never get in the way of my goals.

I take this as a good sign. People care and while for many it is about the money, for many there is additional aspects that they get emotionally involved with. I liken it to the reaction of gamers when they suspect cheating... "Hacker!" even if it is not the case.

Thanks for a great read and keep building man!

Any time mate and I am trying daily :)

Took a basic high tone there in my opinion but I get the reason why; some things aren't really right, I think no matter the changes we're lucky to have a platform like steem, Truth is, I don't see anywhere offering better.

Yep, there is not many places that offer the range and although imperfect, it is improving imo.

Are you enjoying yourself here? Enjoying the arguments over economic incentives?

Yes to both questions

Well, we should figure this shit out before thousands more arrive again so they don't enter into a space where the same people are arguing over the same crap over and over

Decentralisation = more bickering
Because everyone has an opinion and we may never agree.

It tires me when I see people complain about the unfairness or inequality yet when I look at their inputs, they would be completely ignored on any other platform, their possibility of monetization a firm zero

80% of the 7000 daily active steemians won't make it anywhere but here. Here is our safe haven. Where most of us have the chance of doing something different. That's the drive. A blockchain of nobodies but we worth a lot still.

But on Steem we are building a place where all kinds of stuff can and is rewarded on a daily basis and the better the platform performs, the more it is able to provide and cater for diverse tastes.

That's the issue. We are not catering for the diversity. We can but we are not. It will take a lot to achieve this. With the current hierarchy I don't think so. But those willing to work hard and smart can climb up the ladder. I envision a fairer blockchain in 5-10years.

In conclusion, I didn't come here to become rich. I came so I can earn a decent stream of income and I have achieved that for the last 10 months. I came here with nothing but I have a lot more now. I'm grateful for that. It is unfortunate that my growth has been stagnant for the past 4-3months even though I have made the most steem during that period. But life happens and I'm not complaining. I do believe I would find my way back to my initial plan and achieve my goal.

It's just a mixed feeling of negativity and positivity at this point for me but I think I'm managing them well.

P.s I might have stopped reading at the 5-6 paragraph. Short attention span.

Decentralisation = more bickering
Because everyone has an opinion and we may never agree.

Yep, and as I say, anyone can argue the colour of something. Many people are here, it doesn't make them knowledgeable on all matters concerning Steem.

We are not catering for the diversity.

I disagree. We are increasingly are but people are yet to realize that in order to have niche support, niche interest areas need to power up. Can't expect crypto enthusiasts to support poetry that they are not interested in - and even that happens here from time to time.

It's just a mixed feeling of negativity and positivity at this point for me but I think I'm managing them well.

it is good to learn how to cope and never rely on anyone else for your emotional needs.

P.s I might have stopped reading at the 5-6 paragraph. Short attention span.

Most do. it is why most won't benefit from long-term investments.

I disagree. We are increasingly are but people are yet to realize that in order to have niche support, niche interest areas need to power up. Can't expect crypto enthusiasts to support poetry that they are not interested in - and even that happens here from time to time.

Are there stats to back this? I came here in July 2018. 90% of the communities I left are not existing. New ones have not sprung up. The little diversity we enjoy is due dapps and they did not have stake when they started but they had brilliant applications and projects, which were mostly funded by steemit. So about the point of crypto enthusiasts not wanting to fund poetry communities or whatsoever community, I say it is in their best interest. They have more to lose. And if you ask me most of them have stopped playing a critical role in the development of this ecosystem. Dapps have been doing that. They don't want diversity, they want to earn (I want to earn too) but is that the most important thing?

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So about the point of crypto enthusiasts not wanting to fund poetry communities or whatsoever community, I say it is in their best interest.

You might say, but they might disagree. See the issue? As said, if people want to support niche, they need to get support for niche. Often that means building up stake or attracting stake that is interested.

And if you ask me most of them have stopped playing a critical role in the development of this ecosystem. Dapps have been doing that.

Who do you think are supporting the Dapps? It isn't only Steemit Inc Stake.

Who do you think are supporting the Dapps? It isn't only Steemit Inc Stake.

Not only steemit inc but theirs have had the most impact (and I'm all about impact).

Going back to the talk about diversity(because whatever stakeholders do with their stake is their business. We all have different agendas). Yes you might say steem has become more diverse, we have quite a number of things we can do here now: gamble, write, game, e.t.c but when it comes to the blogging sphere which is fundamental core of this ecosystem I don't think we have done well. That's because the communities are dying. If you can mention 20 active communities on this platform that are have an average of 50 member that are active at least 4 times a week I will end this argument and accept everything you have said. Around this time last year I could mention more than 20 and I was only a newbie then. If people can not find niches within the blogging sphere where they can create then chances of having a more diverse ecosystem is low because everything will happen in isolate. For the past 10months here its still the same set of authors saying the same set of things. When a name pops up on my timeline I can predict what he or she might be saying (and that's explains my short attention span), who and who will be in their comment section and what they are most likely going to be saying too? Does this mean there are no new authors writing consumable contents? do people even care about content? If you were to start a new anonymous account today do you think it will grow significantly in the next 2-3months? If not then where does the diversity stem from?

There is a proposal to tweak the system to improve content discovery. Well, I don't have an opinion on that anymore.

I'm basically a content creator (not stakeholder, although I do have stake). I have stake because I create content (daily) and that is my priority. I think the happiest people on this blockchain are those who don't concern themselves with steem politics. I know a guy on dtube who basically just post videos. He doesn't interact with anybody and he is good (he even earns more than I do). Maybe that should be my focus because steem is fundamentally is just a tool.

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You seem to have a very narrow view of what a community is I think. If you want to look at communities, you have to look at every application as well. Also, blogging is an aspect of the blockchain and where it started, not where it will necessarily end up. It isn't a fundamental, the blockchain is.

Around this time last year I could mention more than 20 and I was only a newbie then.

They are dead because they didn't have stake, because they can't earn enough. It is all economical, not community.

I have been on here for almost 2 and half years and I am yet to join a community because, communities are always going to come and go and on steem , those without stake backing them will disappear faster than those with. Steem is a city, cities are incredibly hard to kill even though the inhabitants can be very diverse and change massively across generations.

If you were to start a new anonymous account today do you think it will grow significantly in the next 2-3months?

Yes. Because I know enough about the platform and not only would I be earning from some posts, I would buy in. The people who aren't willing to buy into the platform are going to find themselves dry as the pool shrinks. Of course, SMTs can be the earners.

Maybe that should be my focus because steem is fundamentally is just a tool.

You haven't worked this out yet?

You seem to have a very narrow view of what a community is I think. If you want to look at communities, you have to look at every application as well. Also, blogging is an aspect of the blockchain and where it started, not where it will necessarily end up. It isn't a fundamental, the blockchain is

The blockchain is a blank sheet. What is built on it gives it value. Same with dapps. You might have a killer app but if no one uses it, it is rubbish. And no, communities are not dapps or application. Communities are the people who use these said things. They matter more than the blockchain or dapps. Why are developers from other block chains moving here? For the blockchain or people who use the blockchain?

You haven't worked this out yet?

Unfortunately yes. It meant more to me. That's why i did not power down all i earned. That's why i did not shitpost my way to the top (i could), that's why I hope someday when i can i would invest in it because it meant more to me. Now it is just a tool. And what do people do with tools? They use it. It has no sentimental value, it is lifeless and most importantly just a tool.

You totally can make money on social media. It's not easy...but if you shilled affiliate links on social media for a while and came up with a reason for people to follow you, you could make enough to live on likely.

Of course, you also have to be worried that you might be banned depending on how you format your posts.

It's not easy...but if you shilled affiliate links on social media for a while and came up with a reason for people to follow you, you could make enough to live on likely.

Yep, you can but it isn't from posting pictures of your lunch or thoughts about politics or whatnot for most people. it is hard shill.

Oh, it's hard shill indeed. And much of the time you might be earning less than "minimum wage" in any first world country. Of course you probably can earn enough to live in cheaper countries.

Edit: It is of note that most YouTubers actually have to do something like this, in addition to product placement, because YouTube doesn't pay as much anymore, and demonetizes their videos without warning and often without clear reason.

Edit: It is of note that most YouTubers actually have to do something like this, in addition to product placement, because YouTube doesn't pay as much anymore, and demonetizes their videos without warning and often without clear reason.

This reminds me, I was meant to add that if everyone starts doing it, the value of the work decreases accordingly too. So, there is only so much space before saturation.

I have learnt to ignore the complainers as it is mainly the same ones each time. they are doing themselves no favors as why would anyone follow them. I think they are in trouble with the new proposed 50 /50 as we will see who has a proper foundation.

Some people just have it in them to complain as a reaction to their feelings. I guess everyone deals the way they deal.

Always refreshing to read lines of reason. I've grown also not to care much about the price right now, since I have an income from a job that also enables me to save and invest in less risky instruments. Whatever happens with Steem, I'll be fine both ways. Of course it would be nice to have a hefty payout somewhere down the line in the future, but at the end of the day it is inconclusive to me. Improves the user experience too :)

since I have an income from a job that also enables me to save and invest in less risky instruments.

This is is what I mean about what people do in the real world too as it affects their experience here. People act as if it is unconnected.

Not all feedback is complaining.

Some of it is just feedback.

Every successful company I've worked at understood their current users were a mirror of their future users.

No, some feedback is feedback. Complaining is complaining :P

The customers of the companies I have worked for pay to get trained, pay to learn so they could improve their results. Users are only a mirror if the usecase doesn't change and I think this particular industry is so far from maturity, the users are going to change massively because, the world the users live in is changing.

Not all change is harmful, not all change is helpful. Motives, process and communication all matter.

I agree. Under the current parameters, we can do much better so change is necessary regardless. what those changes are might be up for debate.

For someone like who gives it all to his platform, it must be frustrating to see all those who complain about he price but refuse to buy in.

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Not so frustrating as they don't get it yet. If I could choose, I would choose investors that get it as they will invest long and build to get there.

Yep fix it from the insides first! - build it and they will come. they will jump through fire if they have to.

Oh i met your brother the other day and one of the first things i said to him was that i normally dont read tarazkp's posts because they are fucking too long! :)

Hey @michealb I WhatsApp called him on the way home that night and passed on your message. 😉

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haha, cool.

The fixes are coming and although they might break a few other things, I think it is a shift in the right direction to at least know.

He said. I try to shorten them for the plebs but you know... ;P

haha , yep i fit in that catigory

I put myself in this category too as I do not have the drive, dedication or shill required to be a YouTuber or Patreon provider. Who the fuck would pay for my content?

I think about this all the time. Steem is so far ahead of any other platform as far as 'fair' distribution is concerned.

However, I've complained about the new changes quite a bit. They are a bad idea. Certainly not enough to kill the platform, but they will damage our credibility and reputation quite a bit.

I understand your concerns but I also think that they are overstated as there are not so many people in crypto yet. However, if there were a million or ten here, I would likely agree with you.

I would sooner support raising the annual inflation rate to 20%. These changes are sweeping and dangerous. Give stake holders a 25% downvote pool and ~25% of the reward pool is going to get downvoted. It's going to be interesting, to say the least.

If they are not complaining they are not happy.
Or some crap like that.

There are not to many opinions that give no value. Its all important. They all have a value.
Only problem is people are to easily influenced and grab the first idea.

If they are not complaining they are not happy.

Steemians must be ecstatic :D

The price of Steem went up ever so small and the Lamborghini dealers are putting on extra staff.

"I get o,o1$ on my posts, Steem is a scam!"

I can't believe people have been posting on Facebook for free for over a decade, yet complain if they don't get rewards here, I guess the $ sign is really hypnotic.

I'm a manual curator for the italian community, there are a lot of people who joined a year ago and left after a couple of posts with zero rewards (mainly shitposts), those who stayed and have posted consistently since though, have a good amount of SP now.

Most people won't care about the rewards curve, 50/50 and all that at the next spike, what people seem to not get is that is not Steem that pays you but the community with their upvotes.
It's obvious that if you don't create connections, nobody will ever reward you, simply because nobody knows you.

It's obvious that if you don't create connections, nobody will ever reward you, simply because nobody knows you.

No matter how good your content is.

People might get lucky and get a @curie or @ocd vote but, they have to build a community around them, a network of people who care who they are.

I agree with you. People do like to complain and any change will bring that on. We are building for the future. People who want a quick buck now won't stay. One of the positive things about the sustained low price is you can see the people who care about the network. Not just about the money.

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One of the positive things about the sustained low price is you can see the people who care about the network. Not just about the money.

Yep. And the ones that care about the money and are still here are an interesting metric too :)

I love your little <sub> captions after the signoff XD

It was entirely possible for you to have made money from straight up blogging like you do here (except you'd obviously have to write about things other than steem if steem didn't exist). It was just really, really hard XD (kind of like here). Steem development (of usage not of the back end) seems to be pretty much following along with how any given thing (from blogging to Youtube) on the internet that came before it has developed.

And we're probably sniffily being told we should "get a real job" too XD

It was entirely possible for you to have made money from straight up blogging like you do here

Yep, but with how much work and, how much conformity to content guidelines and topics that "sell"?

Steem development (of usage not of the back end) seems to be pretty much following along with how any given thing (from blogging to Youtube) on the internet that came before it has developed.

Yep, Udemy had a lot of scammers like Jerry and Joe - still does from my understanding :D

“It depends” (possibly the ultimate weasel phrase 🤣). Same as here you would probably have been fine if you’d been there at the beginning and then you wouldn’t have liked it when the “build your brand” bollocks started up as “everyone” suddenly wanted to get rich by writing a blog and later making YouTube videos. Can’t tell you how much work as I didn’t look into that too much as I have absolutely loathed ads from the outset and absolutely will not under any circumstances put them on anything I build (unless it was for a client but fortunately there was only one and I did that with extreme prejudice and much merciless teasing of the guy I was working with whose job it was to make the ads I hated so much) and therein lay my inevitable downfall 😆

I did know people in the past who did alright pretty much doing what you’re doing here now, but have long since lost track of them so no idea how they’re doing now.

Things like Patreon and ko-fi have been amazing in that regard as while they’re still a ridiculous amount of busy work (ie crap you “have” to do if you want to “succeed” but isn’t work on whatever it is you actually want to be working on) you’re no longer limited by what’s considered “advertiser friendly”. Things like steem seems to be the next logical step to me but what do I know 🤣

I have no experience with Udemy so I’ll have to take your word for it 😄

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Really liked reading this. I‘m actually less worried about the steem price and much more fueled by the cool people that i get to follow here. Some of the steem content has been so uplifting to me in the past couple of weeks and it’s not due to the monetary incentives. It’s the value that people give. That value is shared within a very global community and transcends ethics. In conventional social media people follow their self interest and think that this is what drives demand. Here we all follow a common goal together. We are truly a unique tribe of intelligent individuals. Youtube influencers that got a bit of hype from two good videos might leave steemit after a few unsuccessful attempts or inconsistency. I can only say that it is posts like this that drive and motivate me not to ever give up because i believe in so many people here and its not about me, it‘s about them. Love the dapps here! Steem to the moon!

It is an interesting environment because we get to be part of a great many things that normally we don't have access to on other platforms and in the world. Part of the problems here are caused by people's inexperience with these aspects.

Hopefully they enter on an application and never see our bullshit at all.

SteemMonsters and Hunt and Actifit are giving us hints of what the Steem blockchain can become. Relying on Steemit for onboarding does not have long-term viability.

Yep, and with potentially hundreds of similar apps coming, they only have to each be moderately successful to bring in million of users.

Price doesn’t matter in the short term as it will come down to the utility that the protocol provides at the end to gauge the demand and supply equation.

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I am looking forward to the price being high in an environment that can sustain it.

For the place to be healthy, the economics need to be aligned to give incentive for behaviors that build the community as people themselves will never act in the best interest of the many. We don't have that yet. Me might not have it with the next hardfork either, but we are working toward it.

I just flipped back 8 months of this girls posts...
https://steemit.com/art/@andrianna/spaminator-unreasonably-remove-rewardson-day-7-so-that-no-one-saw

....and seems like a totally legitimate account to me.
When you have 'the powers that be' working like this, even the most naive person here on steemit must be asking themselves, 'what the fuck is going on?'(don't you?)

If you did know, you would be buying all the Steem you can and making it happen. Some people are doing just that. They might be wrong, but at least they act toward their belief.

An emotional attachment to a financial instrument is not logical.

You could posit that if you think steem has any kind of future, the best strategic move is cash out to another coin, crash the price, and flush the bad actors out by a mass buy in at a very cheap price, later on.
I suppose it depends on how much confidence you have in steem...

One thing is for sure right now - steemit is not an attractive proposition for investors.
....the 'crypto worlds' opinion about steem, from the research I've done.

With behaviors like this shown above, only a fool would invest in such amateurish tomfoolery. (imo).

Congratulations @tarazkp!
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