The thing about that is I can report violation of the law to law enforcement. I can provide the evidence for a legal case. The person that posts illegal material takes the risk of arrest and conviction for their crime. The flag puts law enforcement in the hands of the unqualified. troll, malcontents or team flaggers. Your concerns have no merit. If it happens to you IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to inform LAW ENFORCEMENT! If it is less than a violation of the law you can deal with it by applying the truth. And therein is the opportunity for the truth to rise to the top. If a member shows his backside will he get many upvotes? Unless you upvote them.
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Okay cherry pick time. In a trial by jury, all 12 members are unqualified to make a judgement call as they are not law enforcement personnel. If the only people that are qualified to make a judgement call are law enforcement So we should do away with trial by jury?
If you see a crime taking place IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY as a human to aid the person being injured, and then inform LAW ENFORCEMENT! If you can do something and then abdicate the responsibility of doing something to someone else because it is not your job, then you become part of the problem.
last cherry pick: So some guy in Iraq, steals an image you posted and is using it to make a shit load of money. What Law Enforcement are you going to call? What Legal system are you going to use?
The down vote flag is a needed and necessary part of steemit, there are groups and people that help when it is abused.
So hell with the law?...just put law enforcement in the hands of trolls, spammers, team flaggers and the very people who ARE the miscreants. What could go wrong? An abuse alert with no power to steal might be a good option. I am not sure which law enforcement you call for this. That is an excellent question. My point is that it is not our job to be cops. Law enforcement is something the administrators need to address. Why not have a button that alerts the administrators to a problem.
On Steemit there is no fair hearing, no redress of grievance, no violations of guidelines to cite, no judicial oversight, no due process whatsoever. Steemit is mob rule by would be tyrants, trolls, racists, malcontents and miscreants. I don't think that the flag is an appropriate solution to a law enforcement problem.
Heard that a lot. usually when someone has died, "it wasn't my job or responsibility." It is our job to take action when action is called for and to not rely on some magical outside force to take care of problems. Your house is on fire you call the fire department, you die in the fire because you were waiting for them to put it out. You are in a convenience store, you see the store being robbed, you do not call the cops instead you leave because it was not your job. I don't think we will even come close to a middle ground.
Steemit is controlled by the people. There are groups/individuals that do redress grievances. Read the FAQ's. There are very very few rules on steemit. One of the rules is NO PLAGIARISM.
It is pretty obvious that you are not going to see that there really is no need for the downvote. So I guess we call the debate done. I believe it is needed, and you believe it is not. I believe a person's vote is theirs to do with as they please, buy, sell,up or down vote.
I hope you enjoy your time here, and if not you can go to facebook where they protect you from the trolls, and protect your right to free speech, where they know what law enforcement to call when you violate their policy. No such thing as shadow banning, or censorship at all on that platform, but it is heavily policed so you will at least be protected there.
Like I said above neither of us is going to convince or be able to show the other side how we see it.