I'm really really sorry this happened here @timcliff but this had take place on DMZ turf, because these people won't talk anywhere else. :(

I knew even as it was unfolding it was costing me credibility with you, that may have not existed in the first place. You know how much I admire you, we've discussed it live in public. That has not changed. I am ashamed to be involved in chats like this one and its been months ive kept my mouth shut, until today when Mr Deescaltor, chose to jab jab jab and some truths needed to be aired. And that totally sucks :(