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RE: "I Got Downvoted!?! It's Not Fair! Can You Help Me???"

in #steem6 years ago (edited)

No one downvotes because it's -ev everytime. However, little minnows who make 0 from curation could downvote but they don't because they are pussies and don't understand that they have freedom of speech on this platform.

Instead people would rather just pretend to be friendly, spam shit contents daily, and collect upvotes from dolphins/whales they charmed.

The big issue is the original design of the monetary distribution on STEEM. It's heavily exploitable (and exploited). Adding a downvote pool instead of properly adding a logic to reward downvotes in the same pool is yet another quick hack that will add code debt to the STEEM chain.

Anyway, I have no idea how you can still be motivated to talk about these subjects on STEEM. Community has been talking about that for years now, and no eco change is coming or planned for the upcoming future by steem it inc. Basically, we can talk how much as we want, gather as much support as we want, my hopes of ever seeing an eco change on STEEM again are pretty much abysmal.

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If you have no hope, then I would agree talking about it is pointless.

I still have hope, so I keep talking about it.

I think a separate downvote pool is potentially a step in the right direction. As you can see from the comments here, many are emotionally disturbed by downvotes. If we financially incentivize that process (beyond the existing Incentivization of protecting the long-term value of the rewards pool) then it's possible so many new people would be harmed by bad actors who are not financially motivated to flag that user adoption would fall and eventually value would be destroyed that way as well. There is no perfect solution, just steps in the right direction.

Witnesses are talking about this stuff. Steemit is listening and we have a community repo as well. Improvements are being explored.

Either way, thanks for caring enough to leave a comment and build a tool that helps people flag bot content on trending.

@heimindanger is a homophobe, remind him it's 2018 and people are people.

Would you believe anyone who calls someone else a "fag" in a derogatory way?

@heimindanger is a homophobe, remind him it's 2018 and people are people.

Would you believe anyone who calls someone else a "fag" in a derogatory way?

I agree, it won’t be easy.

@heimindanger is a homophobe, remind him it's 2018 and people are people.

Would you believe anyone who calls someone else a "fag" in a derogatory way?

@heimindanger is a homophobe, remind him it's 2018 and people are people.

Would you believe anyone who calls someone else a "fag" in a derogatory way?

Please remove your spam. You made your point in your own way, but this is clearly spam.

If it's spam, why not flag him?

Probably because he agrees @heimindanger is a piece of stale shit.

Self-voting hypocritical twat.

I was going to give him the opportunity to remove them first. If I flag, then he may start another flagging campaign against my posts as he did in the past. I'm not super influential, but some people in the cryptocurrency space do follow my blog and having to explain why my posts are flagged (again) is not helpful for Steem. Bernie doesn't seem to like me, and that's fine but I'd rather not give him an excuse or justification for actions which (IMO) harm the network. I know of at least a couple investors who have told me they abandoned the platform or will not invest here because of (they say) the demonstrated influence of high SP accounts to "attack" (as they put it) other accounts. Another flagging campaign is not helpful for the value of STEEM or Steem.

I really do not like that some people on the Steem blockchain get to be in a separate class from the rest of us. They have enough Steem Power to do whatever they want, even if it has the potential to lower the value of this network for everyone.

That said, whether or not I like it, that is the reality of how this system works under the token distribution we have. I can tilt at windmills and fight with flags, drawing even more attention to the problem, or I can work with what we have to try and not make things worse. Bernie isn't my enemy. I don't really have any. I do want to see the systems improve to functionally limit how much (from my perspective) individual accounts can cause harm. I don't currently have a solution (though maybe SMT Oracles might play a role in the future).

Kisses!! 😚

Also just so you’re aware @heimindanger is the one who started the spam attacks, the chain doesn’t lie.

Were his spam attacks flagged as well? If so, let's flag these too for consistency.

Good luck to you.

I’ll be back later to clean up.

fulltimefucktoy upvoted all of his spam.

Btw Thank you.

You're welcome :) ... sorry about bernie the tyrant flagging your post.

I'm not scared. I'm attempting to be practical. See my comment for details. I generally don't look at who votes for me and I doubt bernie does, so that line of thinking is silly in this case. Those who do (to some degree) might support me because I've stood up to Bernie before and got three months of flagging for it (scheduled to happen in the last 12 hours before payout back when that couldn't be corrected by more upvotes). I'm still here. Some respect me for that. I also have to recognize that period of time was not healthy for Steem for any investors who were following me and interested in Steem. They want nothing to do with it now because they see the system as broken with such imbalances of power.

Not everything is "self-greed" or protecting a current position. It's about protecting the value of Steem for everyone and prolonged, prominent flagging to demonstrate its current flaws is really harmful to that value. I think Bernie knows this and uses it as a shield to essentially do whatever he wants. The code, as it stands now, can't stop him without harming all of us in the process.

That's my current thinking anyway.

"I've stood up to Bernie before and got three months of flagging for it" What do you think the effect of this would be on a new user? Down voting is not even close to the same as upvoting. Every new user lives in fear of making a down vote on crap content because of a fear of retribution.

Check the post I referenced in my original post. In that post, I was calling on whales to downvote, not new users. Their small Steem Power doesn't do much unless they have larger accounts following their voting trails or somehow using their votes as indicators of what they should also be doing.

I'm not defending bernie's flagging because, IMO, it can often be inconsistent, irrational, and emotionally driven. I don't understand it, though I have tried to make sense of it many times. Either way, it is what it is. The current system can't stop large accounts from expressing their preferences with either huge upvotes (which may people absolutely love bernie for) or huge downvotes.

Get over it.