Could Steemit Become Its Own Country?

in #steem8 years ago (edited)


Yes it can, there are legal and historical precedents. The Nation of Steemit is achievable and here is why.


Throughout history land has been bought and sold among nations. In fact, transferring sovereignty over territory in exchange for monetary compensation was a major reason why the United States became as large as it is.

From the $15 million dollar Louisiana purchase of 1803; the $5 million dollar Florida purchase of 1819; In the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, Mexico transferred titles to most of the land in what would later become the states of New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, and California, as well as set the Texas boundary for a price of $15 million; Six years later, in 1854, the Gadsden Purchase bought the rest of Arizona and New Mexico for $10 million; and in 1867 the purchase of Alaska for $7.2 million - just 2 cents an acre!

In 1898 Spain sold the Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico for $20 million and gave up control of Cuba. Even the Danish sold their Virgin Islands to the U.S. in 1917 for a payment of $25 million in gold.


Yes, some of these purchases came after hostilities, but the land was still transferred in exchange for money.

If it is not an outright sale, there are precedents of long term territorial leases – Hong Kong from China to the British from 1898-1997 and the Panama Canal “leased in perpetuity” handed back to Panama in 1999.

It is not just examples from a hundred years ago or even older, it still happens today. In fact Japan, Mauritius, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Oman, Djibouti, Ethiopia, the Seychelles, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan have ceded jurisdiction over land in exchange for money, often for foreign military bases. Since at least the 1970's Peru has been trying to get Chile to go halfsies on an 8km wide strip of land at their borders to give to Bolivia so that the country can have ocean access and no longer be landlocked.

More recently Tajikistan has leased 2,000 hectares of land to China and Kosovo transferred 8,000 hectares to Montenegro in 2015.

If they would give up control of land for those purposes, why not for a new nation to be established?

Everything has a price.


On April 13, 2015 Vit Jedlicka founded the micro-nation of Liberland on an unclaimed 2.7 square mile patch of land along the Danube and between Croatia and Serbia. You can read about it HERE from @sykochica. It is founded on Libertarian principles, uses bitcoin as its currency and has the motto “Live and Let Live.” There was a second smaller pocket of land that Liberland passed on and that parcel has since been claimed by Kamil Wrona, he calls it Enclava.

The most famous of micro-nations, Sealand, built upon a platform at sea, was even trying to sell itself for $975 million in 2007.

There are plenty of other nations, both sizeable and micro, that exist in our world today without international recognition. Just within Australia there is The Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands, the Murrawarri Republic and The Hutt River Province Principality.

Other countries in existence but without wide recognition, or any at all, are Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Republic of Abkhazia, Republic of South Ossetia, State of Palestine, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, Somaliland, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, and the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (Transnistria). Even Israel is not recognized by 31 UN members.

International law states the requirements for statehood as follows:

  • You must have a defined territory.
  • You must have a permanent population.
  • You must have a government.
  • Your government must be capable of interacting with other states.

In 1972, a rich man named Michael Oliver built up two atolls in the Pacific Ocean so that they remained above water during high tide. He named his land the Republic of Minerva and declared independence on January 19, 1972. Well, that lasted about a month before the King of Tonga sent a few troops over to occupy and claim it for himself.

Just last year Igor Ashurbeyli declared his intent to create the first space nation of Asgardia.

While it may seem foolish that a new country can be created “from nothing”, it can be done. Just check out this long list of micro-nations!


It doesn't even take much land at all, the Sovereign Order of Malta has diplomatic relations with 100 countries and observer status at the U.N., but it only occupies a few buildings in Rome.

It would seem that being a legitimate country is fairly subjective, and the only thing a prospective one would need to do is have some land and population. Other than that, a country would just need to have enough recognized countries say that you are one and poof - you are one just like the Sovereign Order of Malta.

While much of the currently unclaimed land is in undesirable locales, buying some from a country might not be out of the question. If not an outright purchase, a 100 year lease might be in the cards.

Steemit has a population, it has a currency, it has a ‘government’ and it can interact with all the other states. All we need is some land.

With the @steemit account having a little over $100 million steem it is currently worth $15 million. When steem rises back to the level it held in July, the account would be valued at $400 million.

Spend a portion of that money for a few hectares, or an awesome castle, from a country in dire need of cash and Steemit could be on the map. Literally.

Preferably with ocean access, for the whales and dolphins to swim in.


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Some good things to think about..I like your post 😊

Great! Wanted people to know what is possible. :)

Great piece. That should give the word "steemians" a whole new meaning! :)

That it would my friend @ezzy! :D

The one and only, my bro... :)

If that becomes a reality, I would love to get on that train ;)

I'm sure you will be able to find a spot for yourself :)

that's a stupid idea, count me in!!

The first of many stupid ideas!

I nominate @ned to be our president :)

Only as long as he wields no supposed power of initiated force... ;)

Very interesting! Upvoted and following you now...glad I found you as I have thought about the same things...

Thank you! From the past and current examples of micro-nations it seems that if you just declare independence then for the most part you are. Then gather worldwide support or sympathy for your new country. It helps if you are self-sufficient with resources such as water and a way to grow enough food. Also if you declare in a country that doesn't want to appear violent so doesn't use its forces.

But if Steemit had enough money to offer a country in dire need of it (Venezuela?), then maybe they would shave off a strip of land and hand over sovereignty on it. If not forever maybe a 99 year lease or something like that?

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A thought provoking concept. :)

Yea, we can always dream right? :D

Of course. We could just seek to remove goverment instead and take our liberty and freedom back from the empire? :) I think that is worth fighting for. The bad boys have had a good run however they are now obsolete.

That almost always leads to the Empire Strikes Back

Looking back at the King of Tonga, one additional item that any nation that wants to last long is a means of self-defense ;>

I'm sure there are a few of us here that are proficient in firearms... ;p

an example I've used before is the organization and coordination of the Roman army versus the personal heroism of the Germanic warrior.

Roman armies didn't lose a lot until the corruption of the Roman empire seeped into the military and/or the Romans started using other people to fight their wars ;>

or another example;
individual settlers lost their battles against Comanche raids, while Ranger/Minutemen sorties against the Comanche put the Comanche on the defensive.

any state needs an organized system of defense IN ADDITION to making sure each citizen is aware of their own responsibility of self-defense, including the personal use of weapons ;>

If I like the climate I'd immigrate :) - Maybe Steemit can buy a land sometime and transform it into something like the Principality of Hutt Rive.

There are loads of possibilities. Did you read the other list of micro-nations I linked? Very interesting to read about them.

yes I've seen this list - but I haven't researched about them all yet;)

That would be an interesting thing to see :D i like the post. upvoted

What part of the world would you like Steemit to be in?

Canada? why not

IMHO, Canada is just TOO COLD! No offense intended...

I'd move in.

Alright, you get half the fridge space ;p

Please no HOA's! Enjoyed this post. Would be neat to actually see come to fruition.

Only if people wanted them, but I don't know why they would! :)

Buying the land is the easy part, but...

You will be buying real estate. Real, in real estate does not mean that its real, that it exists. It is real, as in El Camino Real (The road of the king). It is the king's land. (Why, in america, would land be called real estate?) It is not owned by you. It is owned by the crown. You are just given exclusive rights to use the surface of the real estate.

None of the large land purchases were really about the money. They were about legitimizing the transfer of land from one nation that couldn't use it, to another that could.

If land was actually land. Then Americans as the spread out, would have move into the area and taking up a further chunk that was not being utilized by anyone else (well, no other white man) and adding it to the conglomerate of "America"

So, seek nationhood first, get legitimized, then get some land. Doing it the other way around is just a pipe dream. Unless, like, 300 million of us all did it at the same time in America.

I'm pretty sure some of the purchases were about money, Napoleon sold the Louisiana territory to pay for his military and wars in Europe. This was a time when money was gold and silver and any tampering with the purity of it would quickly lead to inflation.

I think it would be much more difficult to be legitimized as just a group of people. Hell, real populations of hundreds of thousands with land and towns and cities aren't even recognized in the world as it stands. Republic of Abkhazia, Republic of South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, and the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic for starters.

It seems like just going and getting some land and living on it is the best first step.

Napolean is a very special case. He was anti-banker. His war was against the banks.

In america, there is lots of land. Lots of it, just sitting there doing nothing. And it is controlled by the BLM (Bureau of Land Management.) They say they own it, but the United States of America cannot own any land. So, legally it is all up for grabs, and all you need to do is stake a claim.

However, do you remember a little thing called Waco Texas? Where a little group was becoming self sufficient , and the govern-cement had to come in and put a stop to it. Where the govern-cement came in and killed everyone, including women and children by cyanide poisoning. And then they buried everything, literally. And this is supposed to be one of the better govern-cements on the planet.

If your plan is to become a country, getting land first is a bad idea.
If your plan is to become a group that doesn't owe fealty to anyone, then start your commune but do not advertise.

Well, I don't suspect anyone will do it. This was all just a kind of what-if thing of possibilities.

I think we need virtual real estate like a 3D interactive environment. Real property gets difficult to maintain even when there is no buildings or people living on it.

People have to live somewhere and since steem is created everyday it could be used to pay for maintenance.

True but one of the nice things to me is the diversity of content produced by so many different people living in all these different cultures around the globe. I doubt that too many people would want to relocate.

If you use the funds to pay for maintenance that benefits a small minority of people or to just meet some arbitrary rules dictated by society I think this could be detrimental to the system. But who is to say, maybe a chunk of land would be a great selling point for the promotion of Steem. :)

I can see problems happening over who gets the prime areas though. The whales would probably make all the dolphins take out the trash. ;)

The whales would probably make all the dolphins take out the trash. ;)

LOL!

The minnows would have to scrub floors😄 But not for long tho lol

Sorry I missed this when you published... Very cool article, Thank You!

You've pushed a lot of my "inner fantasy" buttons here! But, why would Steemit want to be "recognized" by a bunch of existing, bullying gangs of thugs? "Recognition" or not, it would be cool to have a more-or-less safe haven for liberty minded folk.

When we establish The Sovereign Nation of Steemit, though, we need to ensure that it is (morally speaking) voluntaryist; i.e., that it is committed to never initiating force. We have all the tools of decentralization and all the mechanisms for recording group consensus...

I'd like to nominate Guafo Island off the coast of Chile as a good prospect for territory.

If that doesn't work out, let's just snag a nickel-iron asteroid, melt and inflate it into a hollow, spinning cylindrical space colony...

That Island sounds great!

I mean if people from Steemit want to move to Liberland the libertarian minded micronation and live there that would be cool with me. I know there are lots of anarchy minded folks here, but libertarianism is all about not initiating force too.

The asteroid would be great too, but quite far out into the future tech wise. Still, imagine when that tech happens - people can go into space to live peacefully.

"Go West, young man!" used to be possible for those "fed up" with being manipulated as pawns in a larger game... Unfortunately, the planet is about out of "Wests" for those of us who would wish to flee encroaching tyranny... );

yes.... i cant wait

If enough people want something, it can happen.