If you want to talk about abuse, here is something to think about. You have two votes on your post. your vote total value is $0.010. Do you know what is going to happen to your self vote, and the vote that marengo gave you? Do you want to see real abuse? Are your curious about what abuse I am talking about? Would you like to learn what a dusted vote is? To learn that some people think that the dust level needs to be raised to a higher level? That some want it as high as $1.000, or even higher? Would you really want to know what a lot of witnesses think of the value of your vote? So you want to know their justification for wanting to raise the vote dust level? Would you want to raise it if it would deter spam? Just some things to think about when talking about abuse. What bernie is doing, and what haejin is doing is not considered abuse by the owners of steem. Self voting is allowed, it is not just for redfish and minnows and dolphins, it is allowed for everyone. Flagging for excessive rewards in the eye of the flagger is allowed and indeed encouraged by the owners of steem. Yes I am sure there is some abusive actions taking place on steemit, such as flagging an individual into oblivion, (rep to or below 0), for no reason. But very very little actual abuse of steemit other than the phishing and stealing of accounts.
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which witnesses want to raise this dust level? i just learned about that too and its kinda messed up they dont tell people that. I want to know what witnesses want to raise the dust level so only rich people can reach the threshhold, that way I wont vote them for witness.
I first learned about the dust level on a @timcliff, I don't think he was one that wanted to raise it, but he did want to let people know about the dust level. A ton of comments on that post so it may take you a little bit of time to read them all. Here is the first post I learned about the "vote dust level" on - https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarazkp/ashes-to-ashes-votes-to-dust-making-votes-count - there are about 134 comments. And here is where he learned about the "vote dust level" and where I saw the proposal to raise the level, I am not sure if he is serious, or just wanted to get a conversation going about spam and what to do - https://steemit.com/steem/@timcliff/proposal-to-make-spam-less-profitable - 401 comments so your looking at a bit of reading. between those two post. The road to hell is, as the saying goes, "paved in good intentions".
thank you! i definitely will read it then probably make a post about it...
im trying like hell to figure out why i get only .001 for curating, the most ive gotten so far was .003 i think, talk about ZERO incentives for the peasants to curate at all. (and ive tried all different types of voting strategies, voting before 15 minutes, after 30, vote on posts without very many likes, vs tons of dollars and likes, ect) sheesh.
That I have yet to figure out. As far as I know the curation reward is also tied to how much SP you have, and how much vote power you use. Over the course of the last 24 hours the largest curation reward I received was $0.011, all the rest were in the 0.001 to 0.008 range, and only three above 0.003. So if you ever figure it out, let me know. I vote a lot, but I really have no strategy. if you have not seen it yet @abh12345, has two curation leagues, easy to join, and every Sunday he puts up a list of how well people are doing, one of them is a straight Curation List, who is making money on curations, https://steemit.com/engagement/@abh12345/6bzkhk-the-curation-and-engagement-leagues-sponsored-by-carlgnash-and-paulag - this is a link to his last weeks post 12 days ago, and on this sunday he will have a new lsit, I don't know very many of the people in league one, but maybe you can get some insights from one of them on how they do it.
Thanks for the publicity! I've replied to the above with an old post of mine you might find amusing :D
A few posts on the subject say curating is based on the sq root of your steem power... im going to read those links you both gave tonight.
Now im confused regarding payouts, trying to figure out why my last payout seems wrong. The post payout, 75 percent of approx 99 sbd only paid out approx 37.5 sbd and 9.5 sp? I had transferred 45 sbd into the post, and did not lose any of the bids. So how did i end up losing money?
The posts are listed in sbd, so it should have been 75 percent of 99 sbd. Im confused.
https://steemit.com/informationwar/@miss-j/trump-signals-time-limit-on-swamp-shenanigans-while-ex-cia-brennan-sends-threat-to-the-president-again
I forget who had the post about that but they explained about it by converting the SBD's into what they called STU. Something about converting SBD to dollars to STU to steem, it was hard for me to follow. But basically there is a price difference between SBD and Steem. I don't think this is the post I remember reading, but he does explain how it works, it is somewhat complicated. https://steemit.com/steemit/@youngjerv/s-t-u-steem-token-unit-steem-and-how-rewards-are-been-split-between-authors-in-sbd-steem-power-and-usd-explained
thanks, i posted the question to him, see what he says. its odd, i spent over 46 sbd, valued at 161, to get back 166. doesnt make any sense whatsoever. It seems like for 75 percent of 100, 75 STU you should get 37.5 sbd and 37.5 sbd worth of steem power, not 37.5 divided by steem power price.
It's tough! This is how I felt 10 months ago with 900 SP :)
https://steemit.com/curation/@abh12345/curation-rewards-forget-about-it-minnows
There is an alternative approach inside too :) Good luck! (And join the leagues using the link in the reply from @bashadow :) )
Thank you, ill definitely check it out!
Really? Very little abuse?
So i guess having like 100 different account all auto upvoting your shit is not abuse? Because we have found many accounts like that but they arent in the public eye.
Seetting up a betting bot and using its votes on your profile is not really abuse right? I mean deligate SP to my bot and pay it for votes so i can vote myself with it free of charge.
Seeting up a meme site where you can deligate SP and get parts of the rewards sounds good right? Well... what if the owner gets 3-4 different accounts of his there and bumps them with his huge ass vote so he can get the vote FROM HIS OWN BOT on HIS OWN ACCOUNTS from HIS OWN SITE is not really abuse?
I mean you are right its not "abuse" by the rules of steem but thats what flagging is for. In the end STEEMIT is currently used to mine Steem just like any other cypto but instead of just clicking start you have to take extra steps. Its all about gaming the system and not getting caught.
When i came to the site i was like "Woah people create great content, have communites and get paid seems awesome for some one like me" and in the end i found bots and friends upvoting each other for a shitload of money so i joined the game. Also keep in mind i have kept all my money IN Steemit unlike others who currently rape the reward pool for thousands a day.
Many people have more than one account on steemit, it is not against the rules from what I have been told, mind you I have been here less than one year, so I could be wrong on that account. Bots and the use of bots is not against the rules. Buying of votes is not against the rules, selling of votes is not against the rules. Voting for yourself or your friends is not against the rules. Is it really abuse if it is not against the rules? If people are so upset about all the vote bots and vote buying/selling the solution is for all the people to stop using them. If people want different rules, then find and vote for a witness that you believe will try to "fix" things, or run for witness yourself to try and effect a change. If it is allowed it is not abuse of the system. Most of the real abuse is from scammers and hackers that try and take control of a person's account, or downvote people to less that 25 REP because they got pissed off at a comment they made.
So wait if i make 100 accounts and make them all autoupvote me no one will care?
Then why are people who make scripts to find such accounts or last minute upvoters and downvote them?
Why are people pissed at @haejin then? No one is doing anything against the rules right? His friend is just voting for him... daily...
If you think this site will surpass Facebook or the other social media then i got a bad news for you... no one would come and stay here when they see that 90% of the profits goes to the same people. I could bring a huge part of my audience here but it seems like its pretty much a waste of time if you are looking at making a living from the author rewards. Im just here because if find it interesting.
Thats a really terrible way of thinking. I can give you examples of countries where women are property and its allowed by the system but that doesnt mean the system is not shit.
As far as i know people keep doing it to people who they dissagree with and thats still not against the rules. Echo chambers because of the fear of flags are really strong here.
They make them because they can, and downvoting for disagreement on reward payout is part of steemit.
Some are flagging him for what they feel are excessive Rewards, and have been since the start. To the best of my knowledge, (and I do not follow it closely), they have not tried to decrease his reputation at all, only the rewards portion and it has been that way from the beginning. And no neither Haejin, nor his friend are doing anything against the rules, and the people down voting him are doing nothing against the rules either.
Reference Facebook, I really don't care what people on facebook think, or don't think. Anyone trying to live off of steemit, had better be real good at what they do, and like any other business be careful about not pissing their customer base off, and I doubt the percentage of people making a living off of facebook exceeds the amount of people making a living off of steemit.
This type of abuse you mentioned is not the kind of abuse we are talking about here. It has nothing to do with the perceived abuse on steemit. There is no physical harm to people on steemit from what you see as abuse, and if you are comparing the abuse here to real life actual physical abuse of people then I feel extremely sorry of you, because you have just demeaned all those people that face real abuse through real life situation by comparing their abuse to the perceived abuse conducted on steemit. And I find that "Morally reprehensible" on your part. Any one that would compare the abuse that so many women have to suffer because of their society, or because of the actions of a man or another woman are a person I need not ever meet. And on that note, continue on with your life, enjoy or don't enjoy steemit, because I will no longer see your post or misguided ideas of what abuse is. No need to respond to this post, I will not see it. You reached mute level by trying to compare the abuse of a woman to the perceived abuses on steemit that cause no harm at all.
apparently it also is not abuse to flag someone for a comment they made. that was one of the first things i learned here that took me aback. we were lured here from you tube and facebook because of opinion flagging and censorship, only to learn that if you have enough SP or you have friends with high SP, you can shut anyone up that you wish.
actually if someone flags you for a comment and it is simply because you had a different point of view, and did not throw names and rant at the person or post in your comment, in other words your comment was a "clean" comment, @steamcleaners will view it as abuse and try to get the flag removed, and if unable will try to set it right as much as possible.
Comment flagging is abuse if the commenter did not abuse the poster. If you call someone names in your comment, yeap, you are likely to get flagged. There are a lot of reasons to flag and to slam a comment down and hide that persons comment. Flagging a comment that is racist, indecent, or calling for violence on a post you create you have all the rights in the world to flag that kind of comment to oblivion, and it is not censorship.
They can make a blog and post it on their page, you have not restricted their right to free speech, you have simply maintained a family friendly environment in your online home. When people throw a party, they do not put up with the loud obnoxious guest for very long before they are asked to leave, Have you censored them by asking them to leave your home?
There's definitely disagreement with that by some... this was a good post.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@positivesynergy/warlord-downvotes-the-number-one-steemit-killer
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