Draining the rewards pool - Part 2 - Some clarification

in #stats8 years ago (edited)

Yesterday I did an analysis of the post numbers and payout values in the reward pool for that day, inviting anyone to define or quantify exactly what would constitute "draining the rewards pool".

There are some thoughtful and insightful comments and the full details to be found here:
https://steemit.com/stats/@gavvet/draining-the-rewards-pool-the-numbers

@smooth pointed out that its really about perceptions
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@timcliff said a better term would be "hogging the rewards pool"

In line with those comments, I think a misconception has crept into the steemit community.

That misconception is about what the rewards pool is exactly...

I am also convinced there are many that do not understand where that pool comes from and who actually controls it and why.

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Many have erroneously called the rewards pool the "author rewards" pool.

Even if it may have been documented as such in some places it has never functioned as a rewards pool purely for "authors"

Comments have always extracted rewards from this pool, as have software development notifications, updates etc.

Software updates are rarely "lost works of Shakespeare" but they are often at the top of trending page and will continue to garner hansom rewards not because of the authors content, but because of the behind the scenes work they represent and the steps these projects take to growing, expanding and enhancing the STEEM ecosystem.

Comments will soon also be algorithmically (is that a word) getting a larger share of the rewards pool.

In summary:

The rewards pool is exactly that... a pool for allocating rewards... and its definitely not limited to just authors.

The rewards are there to be used to grow the entire STEEM ecosystem.


Now who fills the pool?

Is it magic internet money that mysteriously appears in a constant stream for allocation to authors on a whim???

Not at all. Although that's a nice metaphor for noobs.

I comes at a cost...

...and that cost is a TAX on every person bold enough to risk holding SteemPower.

Simply put, the more SP you have the more TAX you pay, to the tune of 9.5% every year.

The whales pay the most TAX.

Put differently, the whales fill the rewards pool.

They accept this TAX as they feel STEEM growth will outperform their 9.5% loss year on year.

For whales filling the reward pool is a daily investment.

For their investment they get to "control" how the rewards pool is utilized and they do so in a manner that they perceive will maximize their investment - the growth of STEEM .

Whales acting in the best interest of their investment should, by their activities, end up benefiting the smaller investors in the community.

Thanks to Sybil and her tendency to attack, STEEM cannot be a one-person-one-vote democracy, therefore it is more like a stake based Feudal System where the kings, lords and ladies are the overseers.

So how are the WHALES doing this?

They are responsible for the distribution of the rewards pool that they, through their ongoing investment, create. With the help of Guilds, the rewards distribution situation is vastly improved, giving us a long tailed curve.

Roughly:
20 posts > $50 = 25% of reward pool
50 posts $25 - $50 = 25% of reward pool
100 posts $15 - $25 = 25% of reward pool
300 posts < $15 = 25% of reward pool

So here we have the cold hard rounded off numbers of how the reward pool is currently structured. These percentages and numbers should be reasonably accurate for any given day, although the exact numbers will vary given the fluctuations in the reward pool size as the market cap of STEEM fluctuates.

The goal is to have as many good contributors rewarded as much possible, but to also grow the ecosystem at the same time. It's a delicate balance.

The average garden variety humble "peasant" author (remember: feudal system) should not be aspiring to the top of the trending spot... that spot or possibly even the top 5, 10 or 20 spots is reserved for those whom the "kingly whales" deem to be worthy.

Adding significant additional value to the entire ecosystem. Its not about content, quality etc. at the top of trending. Its about whether you are a known entity and are you bringing additional value, besides just content, to the entire STEEM Ecosystem.

Based on the numbers above, roughly 25% of the daily rewards pool is allocated to R&D, a necessary evil in this infantile state that STEEM is in and also necessary if we want STEEM to really grow.

So the top trending posts are generally R&D type rewards to individuals or teams developing the platform or enhancing the ecosystem in some other way.

Lets think about top trender's, we've had in the past:

  • Good Authors (when authors were scarce)
  • Celebrities
  • Billboard crowdfunding
  • Published Authors
  • Bitshares stuff
  • Software Projects (by the plenty)
  • Pretty girls (when girls were scarce)
  • Steemcleaners
  • Robinhoodwhale
  • Curie Updates
  • Curie Authors
  • Steem Guild Authors
  • Sports businesses
  • Steem Voter dailies
  • Ozchartart
  • etc.

It soon becomes clear that not many on this, past to present, list are there because of mind-numbingly good writing.

That's just the reality of it all... It's the way the system is, the top spots and rewards go to where they are felt they can do the most good at expanding the "empire".

If we don't like it, we can always buy up some STEEM... power up... pay the TAX... and then own the right to determine where the rewards go.

Otherwise we should just accept that others who have done the above and pay the TAX get to make the decisions as to where the top rewards go and quit whingeing or whinging about it.

On a positive note, if we do aspire to the top spots on trending, without buying up a truckload of STEEM, to put ourselves there, then the following is recommended.

Don't just write...Get involved.

There are plenty of opportunities to add value to the community waiting to be discovered:

Become a functional member of the community instead of just a bitter crab in a bucket whingeing or whinging about rewards all day.

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It's great that you point out the first and eighth accounts that have pulled in the most rewards but fail to identify the second.

http://steemwhales.com/?p=1&s=pr

rolls eyes

Actually, I am in the list in a number of places, I am a Published Author, was a Curie Author and am currently a Steem Guild Author.... thinking about it now I should have put Author Featurer (if that's a word).

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He He...

The list was never intended to be exhaustive... and in my defense, I don't know how to classify myself... its been a long run... bot infested maniac perhaps? or what would you suggest?

also... most of those posting numbers came during the spike while I was featuring other authors, I paid out around $50 000 to them in SBD... its on the blockchain if anybody cares to look.
In addition, I have only infrequently been at the top of trending.

@berniesanders, @complexring, @smooth, @steemed, and all the smaller bots, thanks for the votes in the past for me and my featured authors.

@gavvet is the man!

Finally someone came along and managed to write everything in a way everybody can understand if they care to.

I can only think of one thing to say to you @gavvet

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Cheers ! ! , agree with everyone in the comments :) , @gavvet is the man! , don't let the man get you down :D

Wait... this guy... that guy... the man... now I am confused.

This post will now have to be repeated everyday.

Sybil does have a tendency to attack. That was very funny.

Your post makes some stuff that needed to be clarified clear and I see this pleasing both people, those who knew about this and those who hadn't quite thought about it much.

I want to bring up 2 minor things I think would benefit some clarification. I used to talk about the 9.5% inflation as some sort of tax but I think it would be best if we drop that connotation. If the price of Steem stays equal during a year, there's no tax and in fact SP holders will be benefactors of part of the 9.5%. Sure the inflation make it so that SP holder reduce their % of how much of the total SP they hold but I don't think it really reflect the reality of the situation to talk about the inflation as a tax. I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this.

My second point is this. You said:

"The average garden variety humble "peasant" author (remember: feudal system) should not be aspiring to the top of the trending spot..."

I think what you meant to say or would have been better to say: the average garden variety humble "peasant" author should aspire to that spot but keeping in mind everything you just said in your post to give them a better understanding of what is needed to achieve it.

Thanks for presenting another point of view!

Very well written. Thanks for making all this as clear as possible.

My pleasure, enjoyed writing this piece.

Well written. Mostly from an investor's view.
However, most people come here for fun, they're users / consumers, not investors. When people are forced to invest to be able to use a product, some will just leave.

Sure, but if the top trend spots of the site are never really reachable by regular consumers/users then they should be placed more discreetly. There are few things worse than holding the candy just outside a babies reach...

Otherwise we will continue to have endless witch hunts and the like.

They are not forced to invest to use the product, only to control (more of) where the rewards go. Anyone can post, vote, comment, or use the blockchain to make or receive transfers with just a minimum balance.

Nice read. A good explanation of how the reward pool works.
Lots to learn on Steemit!

My pleasure, enjoyed writing this piece.

Someday... I will be on that list of trends. Right below the charts, and directly above the etc. That's my slot. Maybe even under the etc. Yeah, I could live with that.

lol, great comment

Thanks. Cheap laughs. I'm glad I succeeded. It takes baby steps to get to my slot. Someday, I will learn how to walk.

Soon young Padawan, soon

There. Now you got a laugh out of me. We're even.


Hi @gavvet, I just stopped back to let you know your post was one of my favourite reads yesterday and I included it in my Steemit Ramble. You can read what I wrote about your post here.

Those pesky crabs anyways !!! 🦀🦀🦀

Armstrong Economics

I was certainly not knocking anyone ! OMG ,this was just a joke about crabs in a bucket !!! You need to get a grip and stop coming up with insulting replies that are unwaranted , relax and stop being so seroius ! Lifes too short 👍😊

Well said. Better to get on with writing good content and being involved than just whinging.

Blackmailing and threats will never get you positively involved anywhere... that's what got you banned from chat. You were using it to threaten people.

That's what you say now... but we all know what really went down during your little melt down, I hope you are feeling better now, but I don't suppose you are, since you continue demonstrating your ignorance and spewing your venomous unsubstantiated drivel.

Interesting post dear friend @gavvet, very clear, congratulations, it is always good to learn something new. thank you very much

My pleasure, enjoyed writing this piece.

Hey Gav, nice post and great engagement ... thought it would be fitting to give it the Steemvoter Guild vote for fun but you already made 40 bucks! So if you don't mind we are looking for someone who has made much less on a great post. Well done again, was a fun read!

Yup, thanks for giving it to someone who really needs it... great choices so far.

following you :D a bot with a head and a heart for the little guys :D

You can't claim that the reward pool is paid by the whales until their share is greater than everybody else's.
9.5% makes me every bit as invested as any whale.
Is his dollar amount higher?
Not in proportion, it is equal.
I pay just as much as anybody.

That said, I don't want to change anything but the floor of value on the platform.
If it takes 6 months for me to get to .002usd, I am kidding myself that I will ever make it $20.
That could be content related, and is certainly biased by personality, I get that.
But, the newbs are not gonna stick around, for the most part, if they have to take 10 years to get to $2 worth of influence.

My proposal is to move the bottom up two decimals and check the data for the next few months to see if that makes a difference.
These major changes chasing goals that will never happen, making us all happy, will only drive more folks to abandon the platform.
Especially once they have to wait 7 days to get it.
A terrible idea, imo.
Maybe three wouldn't be as bad, but definitely not 7.
How would you feel if after waiting for seven days you find out that your payout didn't even make it on the ui despite having 50 votes, which is the reality for 40% of authors.

Does that mean that Steem goes to zero?
Nah, the true beliebers will continue to carry the torch.
But if we can avoid shooting ourselves in the foot with changes that don't need changing, that will help.
A lot of thought and work has gone into getting the platform here, let's tweak it, not dissect and genetically modify it?

Thanks for adding perspective on why the trendys trend.
We should be rewarding r&d, and those that go above and beyond for the good of the ecosystem.
'Picking out gems' is low on my list of things that need support.

Thanks to the reputation system might it be possible we could go to a 1:1 vote without worrying about Sybil if we only permitted such actions after attaining a certain reputation OR steem power?

How do you gain a reputation? Post, comment, reply. Have your posts, comments, replies up voted.

You could also tie it to steem power so people who invested purely by purchasing steem power and don't want to comment,post, etc could still get voting rights.

I don't know that this is an ultimate solution, but I do think we could address Sybil fairly nicely. I don't know that 1:1 is the ultimate answer either.

At this point I've said it many times. We're in beta. I'm willing to TRY anything with the understanding that if it doesn't work we take a step back and try something else.

It is funny how a name makes a difference. Deja vu.

Thanks for the post and greetings from another Bulgarian newbie.
It helped me to orient into the steem economy.