Dear @davemccoy and @yabapmatt, I value all ideas, which are discussed during the last month in order to get splinterlands on track.
In my opinion for every bot, that we get rid of with such meassueres we loose at least one or even two players.
I have a similar situation as @squirrelacus.
As the first staking requirements have been introduced, I had around 40k SPS. I rented 50k SPS per week and further increased my stake, but I had to step back from champion to diamond league in order to get any more rewards.
I increased my SPS stake now to nearly 100k. In addition I am renting between 50 and 75k depending on the price per week.
I invested around 4.000 $ in Rebellion. This may not sound much, but it was for me.
But the last changes to rewards, which led to further players leave made even me think of asset sales, which I did in the last days, when I sold cards, I seldomly play and my XBOT never plays.
I have lots of real life stuff ongoing. For gods sake I am not sick and its just my job and my family. I play my Brawls on Tier 5.
But if now the SPS requirements for Wild get doubled, this will kill my ranked play all over. I am not going to rent around 200k of SPS per week. This is just no affordable and I do not have the chance to stay lower in ranking, since leagues have vanished.
For me this maybe the final cut, to leave Splinterlands all over. How must this be for people, with less income and less stake than me.
In your hunt for bots, you are completely killing the userbase. Sorry to say, but thats my feeling right now.
Dude im sorry to say but you gotta be crazy spend 4000k on a dead game with sinking value of assets and token, rather get HBD and stake them
Lets say it this way. As I planned to do this and put the money aside was spring 2023, when it did not look that grim. The Rebellion cards are not the problem by they way. They hold their value quite good and the Promos and airdrops weight the loss quite well.
Problem is the rest and the small patches which are applied to the game dismantling it step by step.
It feels more to be in the GDR ( Germany Democratic Republic) with 5 year plans than beeing in an open market economy.
If rebellion cards are holding price, it's good, I'm not checking those, I seen all others sinking hard, my collection lost 80% of the value already
But yeah they are destroying the game step by step, if everything collapses so will rebellion cards, this proposal will just cut off all players who don't make 200 SPS per season which is impossible under gold or diamond with full SPS requirements met, can you see new players coming with this implemented?
No I cant and that is the problem.
For me it seems, the exisiting whales are changing everything to get as much out of the remains as possible as long as it goes. If this is the case, they know, that their assets will be not anything in a few month as well.
But I do not want to think that way and hope, its still done with the best intentions for the company and therefore for alle players.
There are better fixes for the Bot problematic than this one. At least there are better ones without that much coleteral damage for new players, which the company and the game need to stay afloat.
Focus now should be to implement a modus for new players. Maybe even with a battlepass, so the company earns some money and make it as easy as possible for new players to join and to have fun with the game.
Yea that's true, whales will support this, 2000dec is nothing for them, cut off a big players base so rewards are better, it's a win win for them, extract the most they can and cashout it before the sink
I agree, but we seen nothing to attract new players since forever I guess
This is exactly the problem. There's a saying ""Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."
We are literally killing the game in order to stop people from using bots. I've just looked at my last 25 games and have only come across 2 match which there was definitely a botnet involved - of which I one exactly one game.
I'm getting so sick of this toxic community.
@kheldar1982 I appreciate the message.
However, I think you are making some assumptions that will not be true. I'm happy to discuss this with you if you want to have a direct message on discord.
I'll give you a brief outline so I don't take up too much of your time.
the number of bots that this will force to stop won't be anywhere near what you think. This is likely to mean more than 60K botnet accounts will stop playing.
the rewards for the remaining players will therefore go up, ie the ones like you that invest. I would imagine given your story that you will easily cover your extra cost of playing wild with just increased SPS rewards.
the way that your payout works is you don't HAVE to have a certain amount of SPS, in fact you can play at your same rating just fine with the amount of SPS you have now for sure. Obviously if they raise the staked needs, all that will do is lower the payout % across the board, but in reality EVERYONE is in the same boat as you. So the only people that will come out ahead of you versus where you were will be those that stake more than they were staking. The bottom line is you don't have to stake any more SPS to earn what you are earning now, and most likely you will be earning more because of the 60k bots leaving the system.
Finally I will say that I sympathize with your concern, and I don't want to see someone in your position leave over this. I think this will be a fantastic thing for the game, but also for YOU. The people that will get hurt will be the large botnets. Everyone else might have to adjust a little, but within a few seasons I think you will be earning more.
ps... if they can finally kill off the leaching from the botnets, then they can add back value and earnings. So not only will this be good for you in the short run, it also sets up a lot of potential in the future.
pps... If I am wrong, then please direct message me and I will pay the following season for you so you can play it for free. Like I said I don't think you or any "real" players are going to be upset when its had a chance to be live, but I'm happy to buy you another season permit if the first season doesn't work out.
I do not have any issues with 2k DEC or 40 Vouchers per Season. Its the doubling of SPS needs in combination with leagues gone that trouble me.
Maybe all must be worse first before it can become better like often in medicine.
All what I see is, that the changes made over the last month for sure hurt botnets, but they adapted somehow and are still there, while the true playerbase is dwindling.
Asset prices are in full downswing.
These meassueres are not helping. What is needed is more fun at gameplay or other incentives to buy assets.
We need a smooth start for new players.
But we do nothing in this direction. The new player experience is the worst since more than 2.5 years (the time I can tell).
By the way, why should I answer per DM to you? Here is an open conversation on our beloved blockchain so everyone can see it.
As long as it stays in a friendly manner I have no issues, discussing things here.
You don't have to discuss in Discord, I was just offering you that as an alternative means of communication as I'm not here that often.
Time will tell if this was a positive move or not. I say it is, you think it isn't. That's ok, we both will see together how it unfolds.
Have a nice day and thank you for the civil discussion.
How about you explain why players are still waiting on Nightmare packs as are they going to just sit on this??? Also, what was a the use of DEC-B? To steal the $ we put into it and now, there is absolutely no way of touching DEC-B let alone any updates on what will happen. However, let us continue bringing in new packs that just destroy any value of previous packs.
How the "payout for the real players that stay" is going to be up with "increased SPS rewards" while at the same time I'm asked to pay 2000 DEC I read that our daily grit rewards are slashed?
Nothing makes sense.
Oh, and another example: I have a RL friend that started playing with me at the same time. He only has vintage cards, only a few modern ones. He has saved 3000 SPS so far, so really few vouchers.
He just abandoned the game, unable to play with HIS cards. OWNED by them. Now he needs to pay a fee to play a game in which his assets are owned by him.
Nevermind. I don't even have the energy or patience to extend myself.